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I think the part I don't understand is why you think people suck. It doesn't seem like anyone sucks, actually, to me. And it seems that those who are lonely pre

I think the part I don't understand is why you think people suck. It doesn't seem like anyone sucks, actually, to me. And it seems that those who are lonely prefer human contact and are unable to have it rather than being released from sucky people. But perhaps the point is flying above my head. I haven't played Diplomacy but I imagine the subterfuge and betrayal is similar to that in Neptune's Pride (a real-time game that occurs over a few weeks, I slept in 2h fits during that period while trying to keep my allegiances straight and took a friend to a pub and kept him occupied so he would fail an obligation he had to someone else). The cruelty and betrayal are part of the fun. And while it can get acrimonious in play, I can't see that lasting.

fragmede 3y ago
You've never been let down by anyone, ever? no one's ever been late to something or come up short somehow to you? it sucks when somebody isn't able to show up or meet you in some way like they said they will. maybe you're surrounded by people that have a superhuman amount of time and energy and don't ever let people down. but for the rest of us, the real deal is that people suck sometimes. yeah, they're awesome as fuck sometimes too, which is why we put up with them, but anyway, I think a point I want to make is that it's easier to be lonely and right, than it is to be wrong and surrounded by friends. but for the people that are lonely, people are out there, you gotta put in effort to connect with them. but go in with your eyes open that they're human, and they're going to let you down in some way, but that's okay, because that's part of being human, is knowing that about your friends and keeping them around anyway. well, some of them, at least. I'm not lonely, but I have a friend or two that are, so I'm projecting a little, but I know those particular friends of mine well enough to say that's where they're coming from. I'm sure other people are lonely for other reasons, but I know people who are lonely for the reason I gave. Because there are 8 billion. people on this planet. it's hard to avoid interacting with someone, in some way, if you push yourself and go touch grass.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  No. The people around me are not superhuman. They err and fail. As do I. It just doesn't seem like a big deal or a crucial part of our relationship. But I think I understand now. You feel the same way as I do. You believe these foibles are part of humans. The part we differ on is the standards you hold for calling something sucky. I can accept behaviour down into the first sigma down from the mu and you probably consider only behaviour past the first sigma up from the mu acceptable. As an example, if someone were late or couldn't make it at the last minute, it doesn't bother me. I'm going to just make a note to check with them a little earlier next time. And everyone I know has my location so that if I'm late they know what I'm up to. We just work around each other's mistakes. It works all right for me. I won't pretend I don't feel disappointed. It's just momentary and I find it hard to align my life around those transient feelings. Not out of enlightenment, just I don't really remember those feelings strongly.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    being able to not feel those feelings strongly is enlightenment, I'd say. I feel those feelings strongly and then choose to keep going anyway in order to have friends and not be lonely. it's been a pleasure connecting with you and coming to understanding each other. be well.
    - renewiltord 3y ago
      You too, man. Good chat :)

fragmede 3y ago

You've never been let down by anyone, ever? no one's ever been late to something or come up short somehow to you? it sucks when somebody isn't able to show up or meet you in some way like they said they will. maybe you're surrounded by people that have a superhuman amount of time and energy and don't ever let people down. but for the rest of us, the real deal is that people suck sometimes. yeah, they're awesome as fuck sometimes too, which is why we put up with them, but anyway, I think a point I want to make is that it's easier to be lonely and right, than it is to be wrong and surrounded by friends. but for the people that are lonely, people are out there, you gotta put in effort to connect with them. but go in with your eyes open that they're human, and they're going to let you down in some way, but that's okay, because that's part of being human, is knowing that about your friends and keeping them around anyway. well, some of them, at least. I'm not lonely, but I have a friend or two that are, so I'm projecting a little, but I know those particular friends of mine well enough to say that's where they're coming from. I'm sure other people are lonely for other reasons, but I know people who are lonely for the reason I gave. Because there are 8 billion. people on this planet. it's hard to avoid interacting with someone, in some way, if you push yourself and go touch grass.

renewiltord 3y ago
No. The people around me are not superhuman. They err and fail. As do I. It just doesn't seem like a big deal or a crucial part of our relationship. But I think I understand now. You feel the same way as I do. You believe these foibles are part of humans. The part we differ on is the standards you hold for calling something sucky. I can accept behaviour down into the first sigma down from the mu and you probably consider only behaviour past the first sigma up from the mu acceptable. As an example, if someone were late or couldn't make it at the last minute, it doesn't bother me. I'm going to just make a note to check with them a little earlier next time. And everyone I know has my location so that if I'm late they know what I'm up to. We just work around each other's mistakes. It works all right for me. I won't pretend I don't feel disappointed. It's just momentary and I find it hard to align my life around those transient feelings. Not out of enlightenment, just I don't really remember those feelings strongly.
- fragmede 3y ago
  being able to not feel those feelings strongly is enlightenment, I'd say. I feel those feelings strongly and then choose to keep going anyway in order to have friends and not be lonely. it's been a pleasure connecting with you and coming to understanding each other. be well.
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    You too, man. Good chat :)