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He mentioned Morsi, and how unfair it is that he was not given control of Egypt. Morsi is muslim brotherhood, and parts of that organisation is Hamas/PIJ/IJ, wh

He mentioned Morsi, and how unfair it is that he was not given control of Egypt. Morsi is muslim brotherhood, and parts of that organisation is Hamas/PIJ/IJ, which is referred to as "Daesh" in Europe/France, there is no real difference between these organisations. Most definitely, Daesh wanted to "unify the muslim world". And sorry but these are obviously religious organisations. They're also worse than Nazis. If these people come to power, war WILL start. And absolutely guaranteed: it won't stop at Israel. It will be WW3. There will soon be no other choice left for anyone. So I disagree strongly: how can I get you to understand that this is comparable to complaining how unfair it is that Hitler wasn't given full control of Germany after the election result of July 1932?

runarberg 3y ago
The link between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood is an entirely made up conspiracy theory. This is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the_Middle_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the... > A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) intelligence report from January 2017 warned that designation of the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization "may fuel extremism" and harm relations with U.S. allies. The report noted that the Brotherhood had "rejected violence as a matter of official policy and opposed al-Qa'ida and ISIS" and that while "a minority of MB [Muslim Brotherhood] members have engaged in violence, most often in response to harsh regime repression, perceived foreign occupation, or civil conflicts", designation of the organization as a terrorist group would prompt concern from U.S. allies in the Middle East "that such a step could destabilize their internal politics, feed extremist narratives, and anger Muslims worldwide." The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected during the very brief time Egypt was a democracy. It is in fact the only democratically elected government Egypt has seen. You may say that the Nazis were also democratically elected, however the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t turn Egypt into a fascist dictatorship, that was al-Sisi, al-Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government in a violent coup, which involved a few massacres, including the Rabaa massacre which killed over a thousand people. If you are concerned about Egyptian terrorist groups, you can’t look past the al-Sisi government’s reign of terror. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension Hamas) have a widely different ideology. The only thing that link them is that they are both Muslim organization and that Hamas (but not the Muslim Brotherhood) sometimes uses terrorism (but for very different reasons than ISIS). If not for the race factor, you could claim that Sinn Féin are also like ISIS and worse then the Nazis, and that a free Ireland would start WW3. This is—off course—ridiculous. Your claim is at best very confused and ahistorical, and at worst it comes across as racist (in the “all Muslims are terrorists”-lite sense).
- candiodari 3y ago
  Look, the muslim brotherhood was implicated (yes "unproven") in both the Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan massacres in France. Given that, say whatever you want. If this organisation is wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow, VERY few people, and I'm really hoping that includes 99% French muslims, will shed any tears.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Like I said, conspiracy theories. Saïd Kouachi and Chérif Kouachi claimed them selves to be members of al-Qaeda. The Muslim Brotherhood are no friends of al-Qaeda. The only actual link (other then all Muslims are terrorists) I can find between al-Qaeda and the Muslim brotherhood is that some former members of the Muslim Brotherhood left and joined al-Qaeda or ISIS. This is not a smoking gun, as quite a few members of many political organization across the world (including European organization) left and joined ISIS.
meta_pass 3y ago
Daesh (ISIS) is not Hamas or PIJ. I mentioned nothing of them, you're putting words in my mouth. They could not be further from each other, and it is incorrect to equate them. Comparing Morsi to Hitler? No comment there.

runarberg 3y ago

The link between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood is an entirely made up conspiracy theory. This is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the_Middle_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the... > A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) intelligence report from January 2017 warned that designation of the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization "may fuel extremism" and harm relations with U.S. allies. The report noted that the Brotherhood had "rejected violence as a matter of official policy and opposed al-Qa'ida and ISIS" and that while "a minority of MB [Muslim Brotherhood] members have engaged in violence, most often in response to harsh regime repression, perceived foreign occupation, or civil conflicts", designation of the organization as a terrorist group would prompt concern from U.S. allies in the Middle East "that such a step could destabilize their internal politics, feed extremist narratives, and anger Muslims worldwide." The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected during the very brief time Egypt was a democracy. It is in fact the only democratically elected government Egypt has seen. You may say that the Nazis were also democratically elected, however the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t turn Egypt into a fascist dictatorship, that was al-Sisi, al-Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government in a violent coup, which involved a few massacres, including the Rabaa massacre which killed over a thousand people. If you are concerned about Egyptian terrorist groups, you can’t look past the al-Sisi government’s reign of terror. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension Hamas) have a widely different ideology. The only thing that link them is that they are both Muslim organization and that Hamas (but not the Muslim Brotherhood) sometimes uses terrorism (but for very different reasons than ISIS). If not for the race factor, you could claim that Sinn Féin are also like ISIS and worse then the Nazis, and that a free Ireland would start WW3. This is—off course—ridiculous. Your claim is at best very confused and ahistorical, and at worst it comes across as racist (in the “all Muslims are terrorists”-lite sense).

candiodari 3y ago
Look, the muslim brotherhood was implicated (yes "unproven") in both the Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan massacres in France. Given that, say whatever you want. If this organisation is wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow, VERY few people, and I'm really hoping that includes 99% French muslims, will shed any tears.
- runarberg 3y ago
  Like I said, conspiracy theories. Saïd Kouachi and Chérif Kouachi claimed them selves to be members of al-Qaeda. The Muslim Brotherhood are no friends of al-Qaeda. The only actual link (other then all Muslims are terrorists) I can find between al-Qaeda and the Muslim brotherhood is that some former members of the Muslim Brotherhood left and joined al-Qaeda or ISIS. This is not a smoking gun, as quite a few members of many political organization across the world (including European organization) left and joined ISIS.

meta_pass 3y ago

Daesh (ISIS) is not Hamas or PIJ. I mentioned nothing of them, you're putting words in my mouth. They could not be further from each other, and it is incorrect to equate them. Comparing Morsi to Hitler? No comment there.