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> if unemployment is zero and everyone is flipping burgers, that doesn't seem to be an actual win for the working class. That is nowhere near reality, so the s

> if unemployment is zero and everyone is flipping burgers, that doesn't seem to be an actual win for the working class. That is nowhere near reality, so the supposition is a waste of time. Plenty of work is highly in demand, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, driving, etc.

harimau777 3y ago
I think that the question is whether the high demand work is available (e.g. most people aren't electricians) and whether it allows for a good quality of life.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>Plenty of work is highly in demand Sure, so is tech. The point is more that are these "high demand" work hiring? Also, nit: I don't recall "driving" ever particularly being in high demand. Rideshare gig's are the exact kinds of roles I fear the government is counting as "employed".
- kemotep 3y ago
  You need to be looking at the U6 figures to get all marginally attached to workforce people such as those who are under employed who want more work. Someone working less than 35 hours a week for a ride share app but wanting more hours or even working more than 35 hours and wanting a better job would count in the U6 figure.
  - leereeves 3y ago
    > or even working more than 35 hours [for a ride share app] and wanting a better job would count in the U6 figure No, people working full time and wanting a better job are not included. Every worker wants a better job. U6 is: "Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons...Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months."
    - kemotep 3y ago
      Someone working a gig economy job is still very likely underemployed. Someone working a gig economy job full time is in fact employed by all possible metrics. The grandparent comment being concerned about counting these people is unrealistic as you say nearly everyone would desire better employment.

harimau777 3y ago

I think that the question is whether the high demand work is available (e.g. most people aren't electricians) and whether it allows for a good quality of life.

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>Plenty of work is highly in demand Sure, so is tech. The point is more that are these "high demand" work hiring? Also, nit: I don't recall "driving" ever particularly being in high demand. Rideshare gig's are the exact kinds of roles I fear the government is counting as "employed".

kemotep 3y ago
You need to be looking at the U6 figures to get all marginally attached to workforce people such as those who are under employed who want more work. Someone working less than 35 hours a week for a ride share app but wanting more hours or even working more than 35 hours and wanting a better job would count in the U6 figure.
- leereeves 3y ago
  > or even working more than 35 hours [for a ride share app] and wanting a better job would count in the U6 figure No, people working full time and wanting a better job are not included. Every worker wants a better job. U6 is: "Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons...Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months."
  - kemotep 3y ago
    Someone working a gig economy job is still very likely underemployed. Someone working a gig economy job full time is in fact employed by all possible metrics. The grandparent comment being concerned about counting these people is unrealistic as you say nearly everyone would desire better employment.