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I don’t think you are wrong, but I think it is both sad and pathetic. This genocide is currently on month 6, the situation gets more and more dire every day. Th

I don’t think you are wrong, but I think it is both sad and pathetic. This genocide is currently on month 6, the situation gets more and more dire every day. There is an imminent famine—if not already started. We get news that Israel is using AI to conduct this genocide, that tech is flowing to Israel to conduct this genocide, that some of our industrial comrades are complicit, that some of our industrial comrades that speak up get fired[1], and now some of our industrial comrades are being targeted and becoming martyrs in this genocide. We get all this news, but we cannot talk about it because there was a thread a couple of weeks ago which talked about journalists being targeted[2]. This is an ongoing catastrophe, and we need to have an ongoing conversation about it. When new information is reviled we need to have a conversation. As a forum popular in our industry HN needs to own up its societal responsibility. There is a lot of tech being used in this genocide, and as workers in tech, we should know our part. As long as this genocide continues, we cannot stop talking about Gaza 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39644379 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39644379 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39603299 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39603299

pvg 3y ago
I don't think that's particularly responsive, to be honest - it's an argument the story is important but I doubt any reasonable person disagrees with that. This is an ongoing catastrophe, and we need to have an ongoing conversation about it. When new information is reviled we need to have a conversation. Little of what has happened in the... I think 3? gigantic threads that have been on HN about this qualifies as 'conversation' so there's that enourmous problem, given the remit of the site. And just as importantly, 'we need to have a conversation' is not a meaningful practical approach for obvious reasons, about any topic in a limited space. The case needs to be made more specifically and probably addressed at someone who can take it into consideration which would be hn@ycombinator.com
wahnfrieden 3y ago
The reality is that while this site has come to be a major "town square" for tech folks, it exists for its own specific purposes that are not aligned with tech workers organizing toward ensuring our mutual safety and well-being. Of course we're free to use this site as we like rather than embrace its self-described purpose, which is often enough compatible with its moderation standards, but that conflict grows. As dang once said early in ChatGPT's hype, if AI were good enough to generate the insights brought from conversation here, at as good or better a level than humans are able to, he'd consider replacing the open forum with AI generated content. Because it would serve the purpose of the site, which is not community.
- pvg 3y ago
  Perhaps you could link the comment where dang wrote that, I'd be curious to read it.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    Too hard to find
    - pvg 3y ago
      Maybe you remember a timeframe? A keyword? It sounds so unlike any of his other comments it seems like it should be possible to hunt down.
      - wahnfrieden 3y ago
        I tried. I remember it strikingly for the impression it left on me but no distinct keywords and way too many results He didn't say the bit about this not being a community, that's what I inferred
        runarberg 3y ago
        Are you talking about this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35954113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35954113 > We don't know yet how the current AI wave is going to play out on HN but for the time being the community is super sensitive about not letting generated content permeate the threads and I think it's the right call for now.
        wahnfrieden 3y ago
        no

pvg 3y ago

I don't think that's particularly responsive, to be honest - it's an argument the story is important but I doubt any reasonable person disagrees with that. This is an ongoing catastrophe, and we need to have an ongoing conversation about it. When new information is reviled we need to have a conversation. Little of what has happened in the... I think 3? gigantic threads that have been on HN about this qualifies as 'conversation' so there's that enourmous problem, given the remit of the site. And just as importantly, 'we need to have a conversation' is not a meaningful practical approach for obvious reasons, about any topic in a limited space. The case needs to be made more specifically and probably addressed at someone who can take it into consideration which would be hn@ycombinator.com

wahnfrieden 3y ago

The reality is that while this site has come to be a major "town square" for tech folks, it exists for its own specific purposes that are not aligned with tech workers organizing toward ensuring our mutual safety and well-being. Of course we're free to use this site as we like rather than embrace its self-described purpose, which is often enough compatible with its moderation standards, but that conflict grows. As dang once said early in ChatGPT's hype, if AI were good enough to generate the insights brought from conversation here, at as good or better a level than humans are able to, he'd consider replacing the open forum with AI generated content. Because it would serve the purpose of the site, which is not community.

pvg 3y ago
Perhaps you could link the comment where dang wrote that, I'd be curious to read it.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Too hard to find
  - pvg 3y ago
    Maybe you remember a timeframe? A keyword? It sounds so unlike any of his other comments it seems like it should be possible to hunt down.
    - wahnfrieden 3y ago
      I tried. I remember it strikingly for the impression it left on me but no distinct keywords and way too many results He didn't say the bit about this not being a community, that's what I inferred
      - runarberg 3y ago
        Are you talking about this one? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35954113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35954113 > We don't know yet how the current AI wave is going to play out on HN but for the time being the community is super sensitive about not letting generated content permeate the threads and I think it's the right call for now.
        wahnfrieden 3y ago
        no