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Its a retrospective analysis that didn't even adjust for weight! "Factors that may also play a role in health, outside of daily duration of eating and cause of

Its a retrospective analysis that didn't even adjust for weight! "Factors that may also play a role in health, outside of daily duration of eating and cause of death, were not included in the analysis" "It will also be critical to see a comparison of demographics and baseline characteristics across the groups that were classified into the different time-restricted eating windows – for example, was the group with the shortest time-restricted eating window unique compared to people who followed other eating schedules, in terms of weight..." Im worried that this seems to be done by the American Heart Association which i thought was pretty reputable. Maybe the study is being reported on out of context or something.

mrits 3y ago
It would seem that most people on the diet are prescribed it by a medical doctor for out of control weight problems.
xeckr 3y ago
By the same token one could claim that any kind of diet is associated with an increased risk of death, but in reality this would be because overweight/obese people are the group most likely to seek out dietary interventions.
- aeternum 3y ago
  The wording of the questions also matter a lot but are near impossible to find. In this case, no one can read the actual paper since it is embargoed at this time. This isn't how science is supposed to work, imagine if Maxwell published just a headline and hid his formulas behind paywalls.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    It's preliminary research presented at a conference, in the last 24 hours.
    - aeternum 3y ago
      So what, this isn't the next iphone. Publish the details of the study. So far this is marketing clickbait. It's about as far from the scientific method as you can get.
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        Have you watched the presentation? I expect you'll see details there. Also, there are details at the American Heart Association article (another HN post). Presentations of preliminary research is standard. > It's about as far from the scientific method as you can get. It's hard to grasp how that is true. I think more outrage and exaggeration are not helpful to anyone at this point in history.
traverseda 3y ago
Why even do a study if you're going to do that? I've seen a few studies that just fail to account for really basic stuff. Why?
- ecronant 3y ago
  I would suspect it is some type of clickbait "science". The reason to do this study is to produce the headline and have us read it. This certainly has nothing to do with how someone like Karl Popper would define science.
staringback 3y ago
> American Heart Association which i thought was pretty reputable The same association that says soybean oil and cheerios are good for you
dogmatism 3y ago
It's just a poster being presented at a niche AHA sub-division meeting from some researchers in China trolling the US based NHANES data It's presenting to present, just part of the game of academics, and it does not represent an opinion of the conference sponsor (AHA) at all edit: here is the link to the abstract for anyone interested https://www.abstractsonline.com/pp8/#!/20343/presentation/379 https://www.abstractsonline.com/pp8/#!/20343/presentation/37...
M95D 3y ago
I can think of more than one cause for this unexpected result. How about this: Unhealthy fat people with big atheroma plaques enroll in study. The study gives them some motivation to improve their health (to look good on results). They start a diet => they get included in the "restricted diet" in the study, they also start exercising, atheroma plaque wall ruptures due to stress => heart attack => death.

mrits 3y ago

It would seem that most people on the diet are prescribed it by a medical doctor for out of control weight problems.

xeckr 3y ago

By the same token one could claim that any kind of diet is associated with an increased risk of death, but in reality this would be because overweight/obese people are the group most likely to seek out dietary interventions.

aeternum 3y ago
The wording of the questions also matter a lot but are near impossible to find. In this case, no one can read the actual paper since it is embargoed at this time. This isn't how science is supposed to work, imagine if Maxwell published just a headline and hid his formulas behind paywalls.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  It's preliminary research presented at a conference, in the last 24 hours.
  - aeternum 3y ago
    So what, this isn't the next iphone. Publish the details of the study. So far this is marketing clickbait. It's about as far from the scientific method as you can get.
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      Have you watched the presentation? I expect you'll see details there. Also, there are details at the American Heart Association article (another HN post). Presentations of preliminary research is standard. > It's about as far from the scientific method as you can get. It's hard to grasp how that is true. I think more outrage and exaggeration are not helpful to anyone at this point in history.

traverseda 3y ago

Why even do a study if you're going to do that? I've seen a few studies that just fail to account for really basic stuff. Why?

ecronant 3y ago
I would suspect it is some type of clickbait "science". The reason to do this study is to produce the headline and have us read it. This certainly has nothing to do with how someone like Karl Popper would define science.

staringback 3y ago

> American Heart Association which i thought was pretty reputable The same association that says soybean oil and cheerios are good for you

dogmatism 3y ago

It's just a poster being presented at a niche AHA sub-division meeting from some researchers in China trolling the US based NHANES data It's presenting to present, just part of the game of academics, and it does not represent an opinion of the conference sponsor (AHA) at all edit: here is the link to the abstract for anyone interested https://www.abstractsonline.com/pp8/#!/20343/presentation/379 https://www.abstractsonline.com/pp8/#!/20343/presentation/37...

M95D 3y ago

I can think of more than one cause for this unexpected result. How about this: Unhealthy fat people with big atheroma plaques enroll in study. The study gives them some motivation to improve their health (to look good on results). They start a diet => they get included in the "restricted diet" in the study, they also start exercising, atheroma plaque wall ruptures due to stress => heart attack => death.