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More people have died from wind turbines than in all the nuclear accidents combined. Here’s some data from just Scotland: https://scotlandagainstspin.org/turbi

More people have died from wind turbines than in all the nuclear accidents combined. Here’s some data from just Scotland: https://scotlandagainstspin.org/turbine-accident-statistics/ https://scotlandagainstspin.org/turbine-accident-statistics/

pfisch 3y ago
It is hard to say how many people died from chernobyl. Some accounts say more than 30k(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_...) Your link shows ~200 from wind turbines.
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Absolutely not, the USCEAR report is pretty much the gold standard, and the number is no more than 4,000. I've read the report and I'd suggest if you're curious that you do the same. The 4,000 number includes fully realized expected number of people who would contract cancer in their lifetimes, etc. And it uses the contested and very pessimistic linear no-threshold dose response model for very low doses. It also includes increase in suicide risk due to people believing they're 'contaminated.' As your link shows the direct deaths were around 78. Everything else beyond that is a statistical estimate, and the more anti-nuclear the group running the numbers is, the exponentially larger the "death toll." The largest estimate came in at a staggering 985,000 -- despite there only being 350,000 people in what is now the CEZ.
patall 3y ago
The wind number seems to include everything, i.e transport etc. To have a fair comparison, one would need the number of premature deaths in uranium ore mining etc. Without that, it is kind of apples to oranges. (And I don't want downplay wind turbines, I fully aware that maintanance on a 200m high pole is dangerous)
tolien 3y ago
> Here’s some data from just Scotland: No it's not (putting aside that they seem to be a bunch of anti-wind cranks). > Total number of accidents: 3493 If you drill into the PDF they link to: > 3493 Miscellaneous 31/12/2023 Whispering Willow North windpower facility, Franklin County, Iowa USA Last I looked, the USA hasn't been part of the UK in almost 250 years. But also their data is nonsense - they've counted one turbine catching fire as two separate incidents, and conveniently ignore that it was during a named storm when the turbine was exposed to winds gusting >70 knots and thousands of people lost power due to downed power lines [0]. Even if you take their number as gospel, which seems unwise given they're counting this as an accident: > "World's biggest wind farm makes bid to force land sales". Report that SSE Renewables, owners of the Berwick Bank wind farm project off the cost of East Lothian, Scotland, are seeking to force landowners to sell land to operators of the Berwick Bank project. > Their application to Scottish Ministers to use a Compulsory Purchase Order for lands has brought a stream of objections from private land owners, Network Rail, and EDF who operate Torness nuclear plant. The application will now go to public enquiry. The FT [1] claims 2202 deaths due to Fukushima: > There were 2,202 disaster-related deaths in Fukushima, according to the government’s Reconstruction Agency, from evacuation stress, interruption to medical care and suicide 0: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/weather/learn-about/uk-past-events/interesting/2023/2023_12_storm_gerrit.pdf https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metoffi... 1: https://www.ft.com/content/000f864e-22ba-11e8-add1-0e8958b189ea https://www.ft.com/content/000f864e-22ba-11e8-add1-0e8958b18...

pfisch 3y ago

It is hard to say how many people died from chernobyl. Some accounts say more than 30k(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_...) Your link shows ~200 from wind turbines.

arcticbull 3y ago
Absolutely not, the USCEAR report is pretty much the gold standard, and the number is no more than 4,000. I've read the report and I'd suggest if you're curious that you do the same. The 4,000 number includes fully realized expected number of people who would contract cancer in their lifetimes, etc. And it uses the contested and very pessimistic linear no-threshold dose response model for very low doses. It also includes increase in suicide risk due to people believing they're 'contaminated.' As your link shows the direct deaths were around 78. Everything else beyond that is a statistical estimate, and the more anti-nuclear the group running the numbers is, the exponentially larger the "death toll." The largest estimate came in at a staggering 985,000 -- despite there only being 350,000 people in what is now the CEZ.

patall 3y ago

The wind number seems to include everything, i.e transport etc. To have a fair comparison, one would need the number of premature deaths in uranium ore mining etc. Without that, it is kind of apples to oranges. (And I don't want downplay wind turbines, I fully aware that maintanance on a 200m high pole is dangerous)

tolien 3y ago

> Here’s some data from just Scotland: No it's not (putting aside that they seem to be a bunch of anti-wind cranks). > Total number of accidents: 3493 If you drill into the PDF they link to: > 3493 Miscellaneous 31/12/2023 Whispering Willow North windpower facility, Franklin County, Iowa USA Last I looked, the USA hasn't been part of the UK in almost 250 years. But also their data is nonsense - they've counted one turbine catching fire as two separate incidents, and conveniently ignore that it was during a named storm when the turbine was exposed to winds gusting >70 knots and thousands of people lost power due to downed power lines [0]. Even if you take their number as gospel, which seems unwise given they're counting this as an accident: > "World's biggest wind farm makes bid to force land sales". Report that SSE Renewables, owners of the Berwick Bank wind farm project off the cost of East Lothian, Scotland, are seeking to force landowners to sell land to operators of the Berwick Bank project. > Their application to Scottish Ministers to use a Compulsory Purchase Order for lands has brought a stream of objections from private land owners, Network Rail, and EDF who operate Torness nuclear plant. The application will now go to public enquiry. The FT [1] claims 2202 deaths due to Fukushima: > There were 2,202 disaster-related deaths in Fukushima, according to the government’s Reconstruction Agency, from evacuation stress, interruption to medical care and suicide 0: https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metofficegovuk/pdf/weather/learn-about/uk-past-events/interesting/2023/2023_12_storm_gerrit.pdf https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/assets/metoffi... 1: https://www.ft.com/content/000f864e-22ba-11e8-add1-0e8958b189ea https://www.ft.com/content/000f864e-22ba-11e8-add1-0e8958b18...