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macOS Sonoma 14.4: Reasons Not to Update

26 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

lenerdenator 3y ago
> breaks Java Good to see Apple back in the business of killing stuffy old runtimes.
przemub 3y ago
I have tried Sonoma a couple of times already but Spotlight and searching across the system always breaks in bizarre ways - I cannot search even in system preferences, not to mention mail and finder - so I've always returned to Ventura. It's really a failed release from my perspective. Anyone with similar experience?
- beretguy 3y ago
  Wait… you can undo an update on macs? (I don’t use macOS).
  - koito17 3y ago
    For a certain definition of "undo", yes. The System volume tends to be mounted read-only and very little people go through the effort of mutating it. So in most cases, you can invoke softwareupdate(1) to download an older OS installer then run the installer to replace your existing OS.
    - cassianoleal 3y ago
      You can also download the installer for older versions [0] from the web. [0] https://osxdaily.com/where-download-macos-installers/ https://osxdaily.com/where-download-macos-installers/
jaimie 3y ago
I updated my M2 MacBook Pro and the USB-C hub on my Dell U3219Q monitor no longer works... it's been a substantial disruption to my workflow with external peripherals and I don't have a USB-A to C converter to even partially get back on my feet with my external mouse/keyboard (that was the monitor hub's job!)
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wwarner 3y ago
I believe this update also made copy/paste functionality from terminals unreliable. I usually use iterm, but i got the same behavior when i switched to the builtin terminal app. It used to be that highlighting text with the mouse automatically made it available for pasting into another terminal -- no C-c required. Now sometimes it behaves that way and sometimes demands C-c.
- n8henrie 3y ago
  I've never noticed this Terminal.app behavior (copy without C-c) outside of tmux. Interesting.
koito17 3y ago
> Specifically, the core CUPS software for printing operations over a network seems to be removed. Ouch, I can't find this in any release notes. This was a huge advantage of Mac OS for me. Also, Java breaking means I cannot work. Thankfully I have decided to read HN today. I will definitely skip this update on my work machine.

26 points by mfiguiere 3y ago

> breaks Java Good to see Apple back in the business of killing stuffy old runtimes.

I have tried Sonoma a couple of times already but Spotlight and searching across the system always breaks in bizarre ways - I cannot search even in system preferences, not to mention mail and finder - so I've always returned to Ventura. It's really a failed release from my perspective. Anyone with similar experience?

beretguy 3y ago
Wait… you can undo an update on macs? (I don’t use macOS).
- koito17 3y ago
  For a certain definition of "undo", yes. The System volume tends to be mounted read-only and very little people go through the effort of mutating it. So in most cases, you can invoke softwareupdate(1) to download an older OS installer then run the installer to replace your existing OS.
  - cassianoleal 3y ago
    You can also download the installer for older versions [0] from the web. [0] https://osxdaily.com/where-download-macos-installers/ https://osxdaily.com/where-download-macos-installers/

jaimie 3y ago

I updated my M2 MacBook Pro and the USB-C hub on my Dell U3219Q monitor no longer works... it's been a substantial disruption to my workflow with external peripherals and I don't have a USB-A to C converter to even partially get back on my feet with my external mouse/keyboard (that was the monitor hub's job!)

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wwarner 3y ago

I believe this update also made copy/paste functionality from terminals unreliable. I usually use iterm, but i got the same behavior when i switched to the builtin terminal app. It used to be that highlighting text with the mouse automatically made it available for pasting into another terminal -- no C-c required. Now sometimes it behaves that way and sometimes demands C-c.

n8henrie 3y ago
I've never noticed this Terminal.app behavior (copy without C-c) outside of tmux. Interesting.

koito17 3y ago

> Specifically, the core CUPS software for printing operations over a network seems to be removed. Ouch, I can't find this in any release notes. This was a huge advantage of Mac OS for me. Also, Java breaking means I cannot work. Thankfully I have decided to read HN today. I will definitely skip this update on my work machine.