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While its true that compared to 10 years ago cycling is much better served by the infrastructure, there are still large challenges ahead, and I would mention on

by vladms 3y ago

While its true that compared to 10 years ago cycling is much better served by the infrastructure, there are still large challenges ahead, and I would mention only two of them: - many intersection are very poorly signaled if you are riding a bike (not sure for cars is much better) and old bike lanes setups put you in weird situations (ex: bike lane changing from "outside" of the road to "inside" of the road, without clear way to change from one to another) - there is quite few temporary parking space for personal bikes. Velib works great until there is a rush hour and you either can't find bikes or a parking spot.

consp 3y ago
> While its true that compared to 10 years ago cycling is much better served by the infrastructure, there are still large challenges ahead It takes decades (emphases on plural) in most places. Having seen it happen to my hometown from the start of the '90s until about halfway though the '10s as an example. And that was with a head start since in some places it was already done well. And that was in the often mentioned cyclist's Valhalla.
- throwup238 3y ago
  > And that was in the often mentioned cyclists Valhalla. I’m confused by this analogy. Are cars Valkyries in this case, taking the souls of bikers off to Valhalla?
  - consp 3y ago
    Probably lost in translation, should have phrased differently. A <something> Valhalla is seen as an alternative phrasing to <something> paradise but probably does not translate well into English and might be a specific cultural thing (and not even Nordic in use, since I'm talking about the Netherlands). It has a bit more "promised land" tone than paradise without the baggage of a large faith behind it.
    - throwup238 3y ago
      No that part translated, I was just under the impression that one only got to Valhalla by dying in glorious battle.
      - arethuza 3y ago
        I commuted 15km each way for a few years through heavy traffic and had a few close calls - would they count as "dying in glorious battle". e.g. I was cycling home at night once when kids threw a brick at my head...

by vladms 3y ago

consp 3y ago

> While its true that compared to 10 years ago cycling is much better served by the infrastructure, there are still large challenges ahead It takes decades (emphases on plural) in most places. Having seen it happen to my hometown from the start of the '90s until about halfway though the '10s as an example. And that was with a head start since in some places it was already done well. And that was in the often mentioned cyclist's Valhalla.

throwup238 3y ago
> And that was in the often mentioned cyclists Valhalla. I’m confused by this analogy. Are cars Valkyries in this case, taking the souls of bikers off to Valhalla?
- consp 3y ago
  Probably lost in translation, should have phrased differently. A <something> Valhalla is seen as an alternative phrasing to <something> paradise but probably does not translate well into English and might be a specific cultural thing (and not even Nordic in use, since I'm talking about the Netherlands). It has a bit more "promised land" tone than paradise without the baggage of a large faith behind it.
  - throwup238 3y ago
    No that part translated, I was just under the impression that one only got to Valhalla by dying in glorious battle.
    - arethuza 3y ago
      I commuted 15km each way for a few years through heavy traffic and had a few close calls - would they count as "dying in glorious battle". e.g. I was cycling home at night once when kids threw a brick at my head...