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I don't get it. He makes a slightly obscured reference and you don't get to call him out on wanting to convert a country into an islamist/terrorist state? Just

I don't get it. He makes a slightly obscured reference and you don't get to call him out on wanting to convert a country into an islamist/terrorist state? Just because the GP doesn't name it directly? I would call out a Frenchman singing the praises of Le Pen as well. I bet people would ALSO say Le Pen is trying to "unify France". She is, kind of. Genetically, so to speak. She's a monster. Not on equal footing with Trump, she is far worse. This is serious. Likewise, Egypt has their fascists, the "muslim brotherhood", and Morsi was at one point their champion. If he didn't get deposed, we might be fighting WW3 now. Really.

runarberg 3y ago
Your parent (who never indicated their preferred 3rd person pronouns btw.) never mentioned ISIS, that was you. They mentioned efforts to unite, and you took the leap of logic and stated they must mean ISIS. This is extremely condescending. I say this is a leap of logic, because your narrative is ahistorical. There have been plenty of groups that sought to unify the Muslim world, not necessarily under a single state, and the Muslim Brotherhood is one of those groups. ISIS is not one of these groups however as they sought to rule the Muslim word, not unify. It is the same as saying that Nazi Germany was trying to unify Europe. Your post also came across as racist, although I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way. The reason is you use very loaded and unfair words to describe the Muslim world (such as “hellhole”) and you speak of Muslim affairs as their self created doom, as if they don’t interact with with wider world, only simple action and reaction. They did this, we do that, etc, so really it is them doing it to them selves. I’m not saying you said that, but it sure sounds like you were going that route.
- candiodari 3y ago
  He mentioned Morsi, and how unfair it is that he was not given control of Egypt. Morsi is muslim brotherhood, and parts of that organisation is Hamas/PIJ/IJ, which is referred to as "Daesh" in Europe/France, there is no real difference between these organisations. Most definitely, Daesh wanted to "unify the muslim world". And sorry but these are obviously religious organisations. They're also worse than Nazis. If these people come to power, war WILL start. And absolutely guaranteed: it won't stop at Israel. It will be WW3. There will soon be no other choice left for anyone. So I disagree strongly: how can I get you to understand that this is comparable to complaining how unfair it is that Hitler wasn't given full control of Germany after the election result of July 1932?
  - runarberg 3y ago
    The link between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood is an entirely made up conspiracy theory. This is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the_Middle_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the... > A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) intelligence report from January 2017 warned that designation of the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization "may fuel extremism" and harm relations with U.S. allies. The report noted that the Brotherhood had "rejected violence as a matter of official policy and opposed al-Qa'ida and ISIS" and that while "a minority of MB [Muslim Brotherhood] members have engaged in violence, most often in response to harsh regime repression, perceived foreign occupation, or civil conflicts", designation of the organization as a terrorist group would prompt concern from U.S. allies in the Middle East "that such a step could destabilize their internal politics, feed extremist narratives, and anger Muslims worldwide." The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected during the very brief time Egypt was a democracy. It is in fact the only democratically elected government Egypt has seen. You may say that the Nazis were also democratically elected, however the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t turn Egypt into a fascist dictatorship, that was al-Sisi, al-Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government in a violent coup, which involved a few massacres, including the Rabaa massacre which killed over a thousand people. If you are concerned about Egyptian terrorist groups, you can’t look past the al-Sisi government’s reign of terror. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension Hamas) have a widely different ideology. The only thing that link them is that they are both Muslim organization and that Hamas (but not the Muslim Brotherhood) sometimes uses terrorism (but for very different reasons than ISIS). If not for the race factor, you could claim that Sinn Féin are also like ISIS and worse then the Nazis, and that a free Ireland would start WW3. This is—off course—ridiculous. Your claim is at best very confused and ahistorical, and at worst it comes across as racist (in the “all Muslims are terrorists”-lite sense).
    - candiodari 3y ago
      Look, the muslim brotherhood was implicated (yes "unproven") in both the Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan massacres in France. Given that, say whatever you want. If this organisation is wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow, VERY few people, and I'm really hoping that includes 99% French muslims, will shed any tears.

runarberg 3y ago

Your parent (who never indicated their preferred 3rd person pronouns btw.) never mentioned ISIS, that was you. They mentioned efforts to unite, and you took the leap of logic and stated they must mean ISIS. This is extremely condescending. I say this is a leap of logic, because your narrative is ahistorical. There have been plenty of groups that sought to unify the Muslim world, not necessarily under a single state, and the Muslim Brotherhood is one of those groups. ISIS is not one of these groups however as they sought to rule the Muslim word, not unify. It is the same as saying that Nazi Germany was trying to unify Europe. Your post also came across as racist, although I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way. The reason is you use very loaded and unfair words to describe the Muslim world (such as “hellhole”) and you speak of Muslim affairs as their self created doom, as if they don’t interact with with wider world, only simple action and reaction. They did this, we do that, etc, so really it is them doing it to them selves. I’m not saying you said that, but it sure sounds like you were going that route.

candiodari 3y ago
He mentioned Morsi, and how unfair it is that he was not given control of Egypt. Morsi is muslim brotherhood, and parts of that organisation is Hamas/PIJ/IJ, which is referred to as "Daesh" in Europe/France, there is no real difference between these organisations. Most definitely, Daesh wanted to "unify the muslim world". And sorry but these are obviously religious organisations. They're also worse than Nazis. If these people come to power, war WILL start. And absolutely guaranteed: it won't stop at Israel. It will be WW3. There will soon be no other choice left for anyone. So I disagree strongly: how can I get you to understand that this is comparable to complaining how unfair it is that Hitler wasn't given full control of Germany after the election result of July 1932?
- runarberg 3y ago
  The link between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood is an entirely made up conspiracy theory. This is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the_Middle_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the... > A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) intelligence report from January 2017 warned that designation of the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization "may fuel extremism" and harm relations with U.S. allies. The report noted that the Brotherhood had "rejected violence as a matter of official policy and opposed al-Qa'ida and ISIS" and that while "a minority of MB [Muslim Brotherhood] members have engaged in violence, most often in response to harsh regime repression, perceived foreign occupation, or civil conflicts", designation of the organization as a terrorist group would prompt concern from U.S. allies in the Middle East "that such a step could destabilize their internal politics, feed extremist narratives, and anger Muslims worldwide." The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected during the very brief time Egypt was a democracy. It is in fact the only democratically elected government Egypt has seen. You may say that the Nazis were also democratically elected, however the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t turn Egypt into a fascist dictatorship, that was al-Sisi, al-Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government in a violent coup, which involved a few massacres, including the Rabaa massacre which killed over a thousand people. If you are concerned about Egyptian terrorist groups, you can’t look past the al-Sisi government’s reign of terror. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension Hamas) have a widely different ideology. The only thing that link them is that they are both Muslim organization and that Hamas (but not the Muslim Brotherhood) sometimes uses terrorism (but for very different reasons than ISIS). If not for the race factor, you could claim that Sinn Féin are also like ISIS and worse then the Nazis, and that a free Ireland would start WW3. This is—off course—ridiculous. Your claim is at best very confused and ahistorical, and at worst it comes across as racist (in the “all Muslims are terrorists”-lite sense).
  - candiodari 3y ago
    Look, the muslim brotherhood was implicated (yes "unproven") in both the Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan massacres in France. Given that, say whatever you want. If this organisation is wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow, VERY few people, and I'm really hoping that includes 99% French muslims, will shed any tears.