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> Not sure why it makes sense to complain about the EU and not the companies. Unfortunately a non-negligible number of people in tech also have libertarian le

> Not sure why it makes sense to complain about the EU and not the companies. Unfortunately a non-negligible number of people in tech also have libertarian leanings, with a default “gubmint bad!” position, which makes them easy prey for adtech propaganda.

gred 3y ago
> Unfortunately a non-negligible number of people in tech also have libertarian leanings Why is this unfortunate? Because you don't agree with us? The "they would agree with me if they were smarter" trope is tired and gets us nowhere.
- Kbelicius 3y ago
  > Why is this unfortunate? GP answered your question, for some reason you decided to cut the quote right before the answer. Here is the part that is missing from your quote which answers your question: '[...]with a default “gubmint bad!” position'
  - gred 3y ago
    Pretty clearly implying the diminished mental capacity which prevents us from agreeing with him, no? I addressed this above: > The "they would agree with me if they were smarter" trope is tired and gets us nowhere.
  - FredPret 3y ago
    Some people have a default “gubmint gud business bad” position and assume that disagreement is only possible if you’re a brainwashed bootlicker. I say that’s unfortunate
  - Gormo 3y ago
    Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the reason why libertarians assume a default "gubmint bad!" reaction to new policy interventions is that they are sensitized due to decades of experience seeing multitudes of government interventions both (a) to achieve their intended outcomes and (b) create unintended consequences, often worse than the problems they are meant to solve, instead. Personally, I find it very very strange that many of the people who call for regulation as a remedy to perverse incentives manifest in commercial markets seem unwilling to recognize the existence of even more perverse incentives in the political realm. If people seeking profit sometimes do bad things to get it, why would people seeking political power be expected to behave differently?
fauigerzigerk 3y ago
That's beside the point. If you are in favour of government intervention you should be all the more interested in good policies that have the intended effect. Bad laws boost libertarianism.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  Also, lying about good laws boosts libertarianism. At least until you realise what they're doing, then you think they're skeevy corporate toadies with no morals.
FredPret 3y ago
How arrogant to assume your position should be the default one, and people who don’t agree with you are - of course - easy prey for propaganda.
- hallway_monitor 3y ago
  Seems to be a common tactic from a certain faction currently in power in the United States.
  - FredPret 3y ago
    Not just a US phenomenon - it's gone global

gred 3y ago

> Unfortunately a non-negligible number of people in tech also have libertarian leanings Why is this unfortunate? Because you don't agree with us? The "they would agree with me if they were smarter" trope is tired and gets us nowhere.

Kbelicius 3y ago
> Why is this unfortunate? GP answered your question, for some reason you decided to cut the quote right before the answer. Here is the part that is missing from your quote which answers your question: '[...]with a default “gubmint bad!” position'
- gred 3y ago
  Pretty clearly implying the diminished mental capacity which prevents us from agreeing with him, no? I addressed this above: > The "they would agree with me if they were smarter" trope is tired and gets us nowhere.
- FredPret 3y ago
  Some people have a default “gubmint gud business bad” position and assume that disagreement is only possible if you’re a brainwashed bootlicker. I say that’s unfortunate
- Gormo 3y ago
  Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the reason why libertarians assume a default "gubmint bad!" reaction to new policy interventions is that they are sensitized due to decades of experience seeing multitudes of government interventions both (a) to achieve their intended outcomes and (b) create unintended consequences, often worse than the problems they are meant to solve, instead. Personally, I find it very very strange that many of the people who call for regulation as a remedy to perverse incentives manifest in commercial markets seem unwilling to recognize the existence of even more perverse incentives in the political realm. If people seeking profit sometimes do bad things to get it, why would people seeking political power be expected to behave differently?

fauigerzigerk 3y ago

That's beside the point. If you are in favour of government intervention you should be all the more interested in good policies that have the intended effect. Bad laws boost libertarianism.

ZeroGravitas 3y ago
Also, lying about good laws boosts libertarianism. At least until you realise what they're doing, then you think they're skeevy corporate toadies with no morals.

FredPret 3y ago

How arrogant to assume your position should be the default one, and people who don’t agree with you are - of course - easy prey for propaganda.

hallway_monitor 3y ago
Seems to be a common tactic from a certain faction currently in power in the United States.
- FredPret 3y ago
  Not just a US phenomenon - it's gone global