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MacOS has bugs and inconsistencies everywhere. Some are bugs, some are inconsistent UX, only a few of them are "well... I just don't like it". An example: you c

MacOS has bugs and inconsistencies everywhere. Some are bugs, some are inconsistent UX, only a few of them are "well... I just don't like it". An example: you cannot right click app-icons in the Docker in the mission control overview. The list of specific annoyances and bugs is likely in the 3 digits by now, and I've only used it for half a year. The worst of all was getting the M2 soft-bricked by an update, because I had changed the display frame rate to 60Hz, because the tween duration when moving between desktops was for some reason tied to this refresh rate. About 2 second tween duration on 120 Hz until input control, and one second on 60 Hz. Impressive for such a thing to not be picked up by QA.

chrisandchris 3y ago
Not to defend MacOS, but Windows is the no. 1 of incosistent UIs - by large. If you want a consistent UI, choose Linux.
- bzzzt 3y ago
  Linux can be consistent if you reject all but applications built in your desktops toolkit of choice. Which means you're missing out on a lot of applications.
- okamiueru 3y ago
  Windows has a mess of legacy UI that are never fully replaced. They could have gone down the path of translating the windows UI APIs, though I think it's better that they left it as is. The bigger issue however, is that there are different systems depending on what it is you want to configure, and it's all ducktaped in an ancient registry that I'm just amazed only breaks as often as it does. Not to mention that the thing Windows was supposed to always be better at, was driver support. On windows, you have to manually source them, and try as best to avoid all the bloatware that comes with. Windows itself might also decide to replace a driver with an older one (version, release date...). WiFi drivers didn't work last time I upgraded the mobo either. As for Linux. Completely agree. Gnome is consistent, and gets out of the way often enough. There are some annoyances there too. I have my 90 y/o grandma use Linux/Gnome, because that's what Just Works these days.
anal_reactor 3y ago
Mac OS UX is just bad. I've been using it daily for a few years already, but I still struggle to perform basic tasks. And by "basic" I mean "How do I move a file?" or "How do I go one folder up?". Sure, I can read about this, but this shouldn't require me to read a manual.
- okamiueru 3y ago
  It's a special kind of stubbornness that makes it so that a file manager doesn't have support for cut and paste, in order to move files. The answer to most "it's a bit dumb that MacOS doesn't let you / forces you to" is "install app X, Y, Z". - Don't like that apple's "Music" app pops up when you connect a Bluetooth headset? => Install an app. - Want to be able to "alt tab" through windows of the same program, or in general not be uselessly flawed? => Install an app - Want to be able to move and resize windows without aiming at the exact edge pixels of the window? => Install an app. - Want to move & resize windows to very common places and sizes on a screen? => Install an app. - Want global hotkeys for whatever? => Install an app - Want a software package management system a'la apt? => Install an app. - Want to rebind keys or make things like Home/End not be dead keys... because apple keyboards don't have that, and they cannot be bothered with it. "you should be using "⌘ + →" anyways... or, I suppose it depends on the window"? => Install an app. - etc.... You don't get any of these annoyances with Linux / Gnome. "Why not use that if you hate MacOS so much?" I pretend to hear you say. First of all, because of anti-competitive reasons by Apple, I sort of have to. Secondly... something something angry old man yells at clouds.
  - nihilius 3y ago
    Finder cut and paste is cmd+c then cmd+option+v for move. On the rest I agree.
    - nicwolff 3y ago
      Which is pretty counter-intuitive: it's "copy", then "paste but delete the original"? Much more natural to remember ⌘-c, ⌘-delete, change folders and ⌘-v.

chrisandchris 3y ago

Not to defend MacOS, but Windows is the no. 1 of incosistent UIs - by large. If you want a consistent UI, choose Linux.

bzzzt 3y ago
Linux can be consistent if you reject all but applications built in your desktops toolkit of choice. Which means you're missing out on a lot of applications.
okamiueru 3y ago
Windows has a mess of legacy UI that are never fully replaced. They could have gone down the path of translating the windows UI APIs, though I think it's better that they left it as is. The bigger issue however, is that there are different systems depending on what it is you want to configure, and it's all ducktaped in an ancient registry that I'm just amazed only breaks as often as it does. Not to mention that the thing Windows was supposed to always be better at, was driver support. On windows, you have to manually source them, and try as best to avoid all the bloatware that comes with. Windows itself might also decide to replace a driver with an older one (version, release date...). WiFi drivers didn't work last time I upgraded the mobo either. As for Linux. Completely agree. Gnome is consistent, and gets out of the way often enough. There are some annoyances there too. I have my 90 y/o grandma use Linux/Gnome, because that's what Just Works these days.

anal_reactor 3y ago

Mac OS UX is just bad. I've been using it daily for a few years already, but I still struggle to perform basic tasks. And by "basic" I mean "How do I move a file?" or "How do I go one folder up?". Sure, I can read about this, but this shouldn't require me to read a manual.

okamiueru 3y ago
It's a special kind of stubbornness that makes it so that a file manager doesn't have support for cut and paste, in order to move files. The answer to most "it's a bit dumb that MacOS doesn't let you / forces you to" is "install app X, Y, Z". - Don't like that apple's "Music" app pops up when you connect a Bluetooth headset? => Install an app. - Want to be able to "alt tab" through windows of the same program, or in general not be uselessly flawed? => Install an app - Want to be able to move and resize windows without aiming at the exact edge pixels of the window? => Install an app. - Want to move & resize windows to very common places and sizes on a screen? => Install an app. - Want global hotkeys for whatever? => Install an app - Want a software package management system a'la apt? => Install an app. - Want to rebind keys or make things like Home/End not be dead keys... because apple keyboards don't have that, and they cannot be bothered with it. "you should be using "⌘ + →" anyways... or, I suppose it depends on the window"? => Install an app. - etc.... You don't get any of these annoyances with Linux / Gnome. "Why not use that if you hate MacOS so much?" I pretend to hear you say. First of all, because of anti-competitive reasons by Apple, I sort of have to. Secondly... something something angry old man yells at clouds.
- nihilius 3y ago
  Finder cut and paste is cmd+c then cmd+option+v for move. On the rest I agree.
  - nicwolff 3y ago
    Which is pretty counter-intuitive: it's "copy", then "paste but delete the original"? Much more natural to remember ⌘-c, ⌘-delete, change folders and ⌘-v.