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The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins o

The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. >many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. > Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office? Quite often, yes it is. The CIA conduct operations forcing the political change they want to see - and this definitely occurred in the case of Ukraine. See also, the Whitlam government in Australia, where they refined the technique.

mopsi 3y ago
> The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. Indeed - speaking of clandestine operations, here's how Ukrainian president (2005-2010) Viktor Yushchenko looked before and after Russians poisoned him: https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg The poisoning happened two months before 2004 presidential elections. Russians poisoned the prime challenger to their puppet, and boosted their puppet further with widespread election fraud that was later overturned by Ukrainian supreme court. This is how an actual coup attempt looks like. > Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. CIA is not the prime mover in the world and the only reason why anything ever happens. For example, last week the Estonia minister of justice resigned because he had used his personal allowance against established rules by renting an apartment from his wife's adult son from another marriage. While he was aware that he couldn't rent an apartment from a relative (anti-corruption rule), he didn't know that the son would qualify as a relative too under these rules. He fucked up and resigned. This had nothing to do with the CIA, nor do many other things going on in the world. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the complexities of the world. When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  >This is how an actual coup attempt looks like. There is no "one true way to coup" - what you are describing is the propaganda you have consumed that makes you believe your nation could never do something so heinous as poison its opponents, imprison them indefinitely without charge, etc - when in fact, it DOES do that - in spades - and you are really just projecting. What you are describing is how Hollywood protrays coups, lol. Anyway.. Your straw man arguments are interesting, but this: >When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations. Is curious. Its not through lack of trying! Its just that there is MUCH resistance to American imperialism in that region. Thankfully!
  - mopsi 3y ago
    > There is no "one true way to coup" True - but the poisoning of Yushchenko was a thing that actually happened, and it is not fiction like the story about 2014 CIA coup in Ukraine. By the way, the puppet that Russians backed then was Yanukovych, the same man who later successfully became the president of Ukraine and sabotaged EU aspirations under Russian orders, then shot protesters and fled the country when he lost all political backing that he had and was facing criminal charges. History didn't start in 2014 indeed. > your nation could never do something so heinous as poison its opponents, imprison them indefinitely without charge, etc - when in fact, it DOES do that I am not an American, and if you came here and told everyone how our government poisons opponents and imprisons people indefinitely, you'd get very strange looks and genuine concern about your mental health. :) > Its just that there is MUCH resistance to American imperialism in that region. You are so boxed in with the "CIA vs the world" narrative of the Anglosphere that you miss the fact that in our region, it's FSB, SVR and GRU against SÄPO, SUPO, KAPO, VDD, VSD, SB, SBU and others. How many of these abbreviations do you even recognize without googling? "American imperialism" is not a thing that people here have any reason to talk about. The modern western self-loathing is non-existent, found only on Twitter among teenagers who have consumed a little too much of American media and pop-culture. The imperialism that we are facing comes from Russia. We don't want to live under a Russian version of Jim Crow laws like 35 years ago. We don't want to see our cities destroyed, people murdered, women and children raped, language and culture wiped out. Foreign dignitaries have often been struck by a gallery in our presidential palace. The gallery displays paintings of all former heads of state, with their birth and death dates and locations. There's a repeating pattern: almost everyone from the pre-WII period have names of remote Russian towns and dates from 1941 or 1942. They were sent into labor camps and executed there. The few who managed to avoid imprisonment and escape to the free world lived long lives and died much later in exile in places like Stockholm, London, Toronto. The war in Ukraine gives us much more reason to talk about Russian imperialism than about American imperialism. You are very right that history didn't start in 2014, nor in 1776. The war is just the most recent example of a very old pattern of Russian behaviour that started well before the first settlers heading for America climbed into their boats.

mopsi 3y ago

> The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. Indeed - speaking of clandestine operations, here's how Ukrainian president (2005-2010) Viktor Yushchenko looked before and after Russians poisoned him: https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg The poisoning happened two months before 2004 presidential elections. Russians poisoned the prime challenger to their puppet, and boosted their puppet further with widespread election fraud that was later overturned by Ukrainian supreme court. This is how an actual coup attempt looks like. > Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. CIA is not the prime mover in the world and the only reason why anything ever happens. For example, last week the Estonia minister of justice resigned because he had used his personal allowance against established rules by renting an apartment from his wife's adult son from another marriage. While he was aware that he couldn't rent an apartment from a relative (anti-corruption rule), he didn't know that the son would qualify as a relative too under these rules. He fucked up and resigned. This had nothing to do with the CIA, nor do many other things going on in the world. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the complexities of the world. When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations.

boffinAudio 3y ago
>This is how an actual coup attempt looks like. There is no "one true way to coup" - what you are describing is the propaganda you have consumed that makes you believe your nation could never do something so heinous as poison its opponents, imprison them indefinitely without charge, etc - when in fact, it DOES do that - in spades - and you are really just projecting. What you are describing is how Hollywood protrays coups, lol. Anyway.. Your straw man arguments are interesting, but this: >When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations. Is curious. Its not through lack of trying! Its just that there is MUCH resistance to American imperialism in that region. Thankfully!
- mopsi 3y ago
  > There is no "one true way to coup" True - but the poisoning of Yushchenko was a thing that actually happened, and it is not fiction like the story about 2014 CIA coup in Ukraine. By the way, the puppet that Russians backed then was Yanukovych, the same man who later successfully became the president of Ukraine and sabotaged EU aspirations under Russian orders, then shot protesters and fled the country when he lost all political backing that he had and was facing criminal charges. History didn't start in 2014 indeed. > your nation could never do something so heinous as poison its opponents, imprison them indefinitely without charge, etc - when in fact, it DOES do that I am not an American, and if you came here and told everyone how our government poisons opponents and imprisons people indefinitely, you'd get very strange looks and genuine concern about your mental health. :) > Its just that there is MUCH resistance to American imperialism in that region. You are so boxed in with the "CIA vs the world" narrative of the Anglosphere that you miss the fact that in our region, it's FSB, SVR and GRU against SÄPO, SUPO, KAPO, VDD, VSD, SB, SBU and others. How many of these abbreviations do you even recognize without googling? "American imperialism" is not a thing that people here have any reason to talk about. The modern western self-loathing is non-existent, found only on Twitter among teenagers who have consumed a little too much of American media and pop-culture. The imperialism that we are facing comes from Russia. We don't want to live under a Russian version of Jim Crow laws like 35 years ago. We don't want to see our cities destroyed, people murdered, women and children raped, language and culture wiped out. Foreign dignitaries have often been struck by a gallery in our presidential palace. The gallery displays paintings of all former heads of state, with their birth and death dates and locations. There's a repeating pattern: almost everyone from the pre-WII period have names of remote Russian towns and dates from 1941 or 1942. They were sent into labor camps and executed there. The few who managed to avoid imprisonment and escape to the free world lived long lives and died much later in exile in places like Stockholm, London, Toronto. The war in Ukraine gives us much more reason to talk about Russian imperialism than about American imperialism. You are very right that history didn't start in 2014, nor in 1776. The war is just the most recent example of a very old pattern of Russian behaviour that started well before the first settlers heading for America climbed into their boats.