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Or maybe Apple doesn't want to touch that mess of a copyright and IP infringing hellhole and subcontracting is the smart move?

by ezst 3y ago

throwaway290 3y ago
That would also explain why they didn't pick something like Mistral or Stability. Newcomer with no strong legal dept can easily be tanked if people catch on that training infringes and legal winds change. Google is less likely to fail catastrophically when it comes to that.
seydor 3y ago
they didnt seem afraid to touch music or movies, they have a lot of experience in that no?
- ezst 3y ago
  Is Apple making profit out of generating and selling derivative works from music and movies without compensating the original authors? If not, I'm not sure how it relates to the current breed of generative AI.
  - seydor 3y ago
    that s my point - they have the most expertise on compensating authors when/if needed
    - ezst 3y ago
      Mine being that large language and diffusion models are trained on "whatever the heck is there, available for scraping on the broad internet, indiscriminately". I don't think Apple's money or it being in bed with the Majors solves either side of "acknowledging authorship when none is provided/known", "obtaining formal consent for commercial use" or "fairly compensating a creators base" when it is larger than all humans on earth.
      - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
        I agree that this is very different from traditional content agreements. Apple is a very conservative company. They may not want to be trailblazers when it comes to working out how compensation of creators is going to work in an AI context. What appears to be happening right now is that Google, OpenAI, et.al. are negotiating individual agreements with large publishers if and when threatened with legal action. I'm not sure this will be sufficient. There will be calls to introduce some sort of AI tax or other forms of collective compensation schemes to funnel money to independent creators, small businesses, museums, etc. This is all very much up in the air and it will take many years if not decades to settle.
- mattl 3y ago
  A lot of that happened when Steve Jobs was alive and a major shareholder in the Walt Disney Company. I don't think Tim Cook has the same kind of connections, even if Apple is a much bigger company now.

Or maybe Apple doesn't want to touch that mess of a copyright and IP infringing hellhole and subcontracting is the smart move?

by ezst 3y ago

Or maybe Apple doesn't want to touch that mess of a copyright and IP infringing hellhole and subcontracting is the smart move?

throwaway290 3y ago

That would also explain why they didn't pick something like Mistral or Stability. Newcomer with no strong legal dept can easily be tanked if people catch on that training infringes and legal winds change. Google is less likely to fail catastrophically when it comes to that.

seydor 3y ago

they didnt seem afraid to touch music or movies, they have a lot of experience in that no?

ezst 3y ago
Is Apple making profit out of generating and selling derivative works from music and movies without compensating the original authors? If not, I'm not sure how it relates to the current breed of generative AI.
- seydor 3y ago
  that s my point - they have the most expertise on compensating authors when/if needed
  - ezst 3y ago
    Mine being that large language and diffusion models are trained on "whatever the heck is there, available for scraping on the broad internet, indiscriminately". I don't think Apple's money or it being in bed with the Majors solves either side of "acknowledging authorship when none is provided/known", "obtaining formal consent for commercial use" or "fairly compensating a creators base" when it is larger than all humans on earth.
    - fauigerzigerk 3y ago
      I agree that this is very different from traditional content agreements. Apple is a very conservative company. They may not want to be trailblazers when it comes to working out how compensation of creators is going to work in an AI context. What appears to be happening right now is that Google, OpenAI, et.al. are negotiating individual agreements with large publishers if and when threatened with legal action. I'm not sure this will be sufficient. There will be calls to introduce some sort of AI tax or other forms of collective compensation schemes to funnel money to independent creators, small businesses, museums, etc. This is all very much up in the air and it will take many years if not decades to settle.
mattl 3y ago
A lot of that happened when Steve Jobs was alive and a major shareholder in the Walt Disney Company. I don't think Tim Cook has the same kind of connections, even if Apple is a much bigger company now.