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> Somehow the idea of perpetually paying property taxes and land value taxes doesn't sound appealing to me, especially since businesses already pay taxes. And

> Somehow the idea of perpetually paying property taxes and land value taxes doesn't sound appealing to me, especially since businesses already pay taxes. And it doesn't sound appealing to me, as an individual. I don't want to feel like a peasant constantly paying a tax to the monarch/state: so at very least the first property an individual owns should be tax free (not annual land value tax / property tax). I happen to live in a country where that's the case (but it's not the reason I moved there): no yearly property tax.

pjc50 3y ago
> I don't want to feel like a peasant constantly paying a tax to the monarch/state If you're not paying your dues, why do you think the state should have an obligation to protect you and your property?
- Paul-Craft 3y ago
  1. You're assuming they're not paying other types of taxes. 2. That's what states are for.
- ufocia 3y ago
  The days of merely protecting one's property are long over. At least in the US real estate taxes pay for many services unrelated to safety of the property. For example, closing a real estate tax funded senior center is unlikely to result in an increase in crime. Maybe the seniors themselves would be more vulnerable without a senior center, but I fail to see a general crime spree resulting. If anything the seniors would be watching other people's property and call the cops at any sign of potentially suspicious activity.
- a_gnostic 3y ago
  The state has ruled time and again; It has no duty to protect you and your property. Warren v. District of Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Castle Rock v. Gonzales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales Davidson v. City of Westminster , 32 Cal.3d 197 http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/davidson-v-city-westminster-28281 http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/davidson-v-city-westminst... Hartzler v. City of San Jose (1975) , 46 Cal.App.3d 6 http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/51629 http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/51629 Linda Riss v. City of New York http://www2.newpaltz.edu/%7Ezuckerpr/cases/riss.htm http://www2.newpaltz.edu/%7Ezuckerpr/cases/riss.htm DeShaney v. Winnebago County http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County Susman v. City of Los Angeles269 Cal. App. 2d 803 http://law.justia.com/cases/california/calapp2d/269/803.html http://law.justia.com/cases/california/calapp2d/269/803.html South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (How.) 396, 15 L.Ed.433 (1856) http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm …and many more! https://archive.is/MbIeH https://archive.is/MbIeH
Tagbert 3y ago
I live in a US state where I do pay property taxes but there is no income tax. Those property taxes and the overall sales tax are the main sources of revenue for the state. I don't expect to live in an area without paying something to maintain it.

pjc50 3y ago

> I don't want to feel like a peasant constantly paying a tax to the monarch/state If you're not paying your dues, why do you think the state should have an obligation to protect you and your property?

Paul-Craft 3y ago
1. You're assuming they're not paying other types of taxes. 2. That's what states are for.
ufocia 3y ago
The days of merely protecting one's property are long over. At least in the US real estate taxes pay for many services unrelated to safety of the property. For example, closing a real estate tax funded senior center is unlikely to result in an increase in crime. Maybe the seniors themselves would be more vulnerable without a senior center, but I fail to see a general crime spree resulting. If anything the seniors would be watching other people's property and call the cops at any sign of potentially suspicious activity.
a_gnostic 3y ago
The state has ruled time and again; It has no duty to protect you and your property. Warren v. District of Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia Castle Rock v. Gonzales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales Davidson v. City of Westminster , 32 Cal.3d 197 http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/davidson-v-city-westminster-28281 http://scocal.stanford.edu/opinion/davidson-v-city-westminst... Hartzler v. City of San Jose (1975) , 46 Cal.App.3d 6 http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/51629 http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/51629 Linda Riss v. City of New York http://www2.newpaltz.edu/%7Ezuckerpr/cases/riss.htm http://www2.newpaltz.edu/%7Ezuckerpr/cases/riss.htm DeShaney v. Winnebago County http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County Susman v. City of Los Angeles269 Cal. App. 2d 803 http://law.justia.com/cases/california/calapp2d/269/803.html http://law.justia.com/cases/california/calapp2d/269/803.html South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (How.) 396, 15 L.Ed.433 (1856) http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm …and many more! https://archive.is/MbIeH https://archive.is/MbIeH

Tagbert 3y ago

I live in a US state where I do pay property taxes but there is no income tax. Those property taxes and the overall sales tax are the main sources of revenue for the state. I don't expect to live in an area without paying something to maintain it.