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If we're going to benchmark single core optimised CPU's on games, I'd love to see sim games on the list instead of just the current AAA titles. How many TPS ca

by TOMDM 3y ago

If we're going to benchmark single core optimised CPU's on games, I'd love to see sim games on the list instead of just the current AAA titles. How many TPS can I get on my Factorio megabase.

kllrnohj 3y ago
The 7800X3D is in a completely different universe for Factorio from the 14900KS, it's like 60% faster which is just absurd. Factorio absolutely loves that extra L3 cache. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-7800x3d-smashes-core-i9-14900k-in-factorio-gaming-benchmark https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-7800x3d-smashes-co... https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/12ckmc3/hardwares_unboxeds_7800x3ds_factorio_benchmark_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/12ckmc3/hardwares... (this doesn't have the 14900K(S) but given that it's the same thing as the 13900K you can guess where it'll end up, and it ain't close to the X3D's)
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- ChoGGi 3y ago
  When the cache is filled up then they're pretty much tied. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0oALfgsyOg4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0oALfgsyOg4 Excluding the massive power difference...
- muro 3y ago
  Why is the 7800X3D so much faster in that benchmark than 7950X3D? The 7950X3D seems to boost on paper to even higher frequency. Is the cache different per core?
  - MindSpunk 3y ago
    7950X3D only has the 3D stacked cache on one of the two chiplets, so as far as gaming is concerned you only want to use 8 of the 16 cores. 7800X3D would boost harder for gaming because the 7950X3D has a second vestigial (as far as gaming is concerned) chiplet that eats power that could be better spent in the v-cache enabled die.
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  - kllrnohj 3y ago
    Factorio didn't get detected as a game properly so it was half on the vcache cores and half not on it. It's kinda heterogenous compute, and schedulers aren't that smart about it (at least Windows' isn't). If you set affinity to just the 8 cores with vcache then the 7950x3d matches the 7800x3d
- MindSpunk 3y ago
  Cache is king for gaming because of the sheer amount of data needing to be processed. Anything ALU limited in games is categorically not being cache or memory limited because of how memory speed starved modern CPU cores are so making the cores stupid fast only takes you so far. Especially with the insane power budget these chips ask for. Games need to do a crazy amount of branchy unpredictable work on an enormous dataset so they're very often limited by memory latency which is alleviated most readily by more cache and prefetching. It's why the ECS pattern is so popular as of late from a performance standpoint because it encourages more logic to be written as iterations over dense linear arrays which are just about the best case for a CPUs cache management and prefetching logic. Factorio is probably the best example of this because it's a game where performance is entirely CPU limited where AAA games more often used in benchmarks are much more dominated by GPU time.
Grubbo 3y ago
Same here, I'm more interested how it performs in X4 Foundations with one of the benchmark saves. This is a very CPU and RAM heavy game.
ranger207 3y ago
Gamer's Nexus is starting to do simulation benchmarks, like here https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/new-amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-5800x3d-more https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/new-amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-rev... (direct link to image: https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_watermark_/public/inline-images/GN%20CPU%20Benchmark%20Stellaris%203-4x_foolhardy_Remacri_1.png.webp https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_waterma...)

by TOMDM 3y ago

If we're going to benchmark single core optimised CPU's on games, I'd love to see sim games on the list instead of just the current AAA titles. How many TPS can I get on my Factorio megabase.

kllrnohj 3y ago

The 7800X3D is in a completely different universe for Factorio from the 14900KS, it's like 60% faster which is just absurd. Factorio absolutely loves that extra L3 cache. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-7800x3d-smashes-core-i9-14900k-in-factorio-gaming-benchmark https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-7800x3d-smashes-co... https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/12ckmc3/hardwares_unboxeds_7800x3ds_factorio_benchmark_is/ https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/12ckmc3/hardwares... (this doesn't have the 14900K(S) but given that it's the same thing as the 13900K you can guess where it'll end up, and it ain't close to the X3D's)

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ChoGGi 3y ago
When the cache is filled up then they're pretty much tied. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0oALfgsyOg4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0oALfgsyOg4 Excluding the massive power difference...
muro 3y ago
Why is the 7800X3D so much faster in that benchmark than 7950X3D? The 7950X3D seems to boost on paper to even higher frequency. Is the cache different per core?
- MindSpunk 3y ago
  7950X3D only has the 3D stacked cache on one of the two chiplets, so as far as gaming is concerned you only want to use 8 of the 16 cores. 7800X3D would boost harder for gaming because the 7950X3D has a second vestigial (as far as gaming is concerned) chiplet that eats power that could be better spent in the v-cache enabled die.
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- kllrnohj 3y ago
  Factorio didn't get detected as a game properly so it was half on the vcache cores and half not on it. It's kinda heterogenous compute, and schedulers aren't that smart about it (at least Windows' isn't). If you set affinity to just the 8 cores with vcache then the 7950x3d matches the 7800x3d
MindSpunk 3y ago
Cache is king for gaming because of the sheer amount of data needing to be processed. Anything ALU limited in games is categorically not being cache or memory limited because of how memory speed starved modern CPU cores are so making the cores stupid fast only takes you so far. Especially with the insane power budget these chips ask for. Games need to do a crazy amount of branchy unpredictable work on an enormous dataset so they're very often limited by memory latency which is alleviated most readily by more cache and prefetching. It's why the ECS pattern is so popular as of late from a performance standpoint because it encourages more logic to be written as iterations over dense linear arrays which are just about the best case for a CPUs cache management and prefetching logic. Factorio is probably the best example of this because it's a game where performance is entirely CPU limited where AAA games more often used in benchmarks are much more dominated by GPU time.

Grubbo 3y ago

Same here, I'm more interested how it performs in X4 Foundations with one of the benchmark saves. This is a very CPU and RAM heavy game.

ranger207 3y ago

Gamer's Nexus is starting to do simulation benchmarks, like here https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/new-amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-review-benchmarks-vs-5800x3d-more https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/new-amd-ryzen-7-5700x3d-cpu-rev... (direct link to image: https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_watermark_/public/inline-images/GN%20CPU%20Benchmark%20Stellaris%203-4x_foolhardy_Remacri_1.png.webp https://gamersnexus.net/u/styles/large_responsive_no_waterma...)