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When I hear that this military base on US soil, with dedicated security and surveillance, can't recover one drone, or get photos to trace who or what sent the d

When I hear that this military base on US soil, with dedicated security and surveillance, can't recover one drone, or get photos to trace who or what sent the drone, I think of the London airport shutdown from 2018. There is no super drone swarm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident

cirgue 3y ago
Where did it mention that they were unable to get imagery of the drones or recover one? If the thesis is that this may be a foreign incursion, I very much doubt that they’d broadcast that they’d captured one.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  This doesn't make sense to me. The government is more than thrilled to stir negative sentiment against every geopolitical competitor we have via the media, if this is one of said competitors drones then they obviously would know if it had been captured, and if you're concerned about public 'panic' - you already released the information anyhow. You also have government planes doing loopity-loos around Langley with their public transponders turned on which shows a desire to make such actions publicly visible and available to literally anybody and everybody on the planet.
  - wewxjfq 3y ago
    Sure, after the public circus with the spy balloon, the government is eager to have a round two, this time with off-the-shelf consumer drones. Be honest, a picture of a $1000 drone would leave you totally unfazed.
  - cykros 3y ago
    There's one country they've not been so thrilled to publicize when they've acted against us in the past. See: The USS Liberty Incident. Not saying that's what's going on here. But it is the exception to the rule you posit.
- pdimitar 3y ago
  Bragging about it is a good PR and inspires confidence in your citizens -- even if you didn't actually capture anything. It's rather mystifying that they didn't try to present a strong face after this incident.
  - eCa 3y ago
    That’s how you lose trust, if it later is revealed that they didn’t.
    - throwawayqqq11 3y ago
      I wish this effect would be lasting long enough for the next round of finding weapons of mass destruction or defending nation building overseas.
  - squarefoot 3y ago
    Any information given would reveal what they can do, and by extension also what they can't, so to me it's perfectly understandable if they keep everything under wraps.
  - cirgue 3y ago
    It escalates tensions for no readily identifiable reason. Like we’re not looking to pick a fight with China or Russia right now, and saying “hey y’all we captured a Chinese drone” sounds like a great way to push public opinion over a precipice and create a crisis that serves the interests of quite literally no one.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Back during the cold war, Daily Mail wrote a completely made up article about communist spies infiltrating sleepy English countryside villages, and people started calling up to report the spies they have seen on the streets. It became such a big deal that the government pressured MI5 to go and do something about it, so they "captured" and kicked out of the country a dozen or so communist spies found across the landscape of Britain, to a huge fanfare and celebration in the newspapers. Only years later it came out that that operation was entirely made up too, no one was actually ever found, captured and extradited anywhere, it was entirely just to satify the government and the public(who were riled up by a completely made up story in a trash newspaper).
nimbius 3y ago
agreed, this seems like a 15 page nothingburger of stock photos and conjecture. the likelyhood swarms of UAV's loitered in and out of the military airspace with no photos, no pursuit, or capture seems like a dubious claim. That no single civilian seems able to corroborate this also seems to suggest the events simply didnt happen. since these things might be dangerous to the general public you might release photos of them? or enlist help from the public/OSINT? sounds more like we're creating a story to help justify the use of expensive NASA resources for a budget review.
- throwawayqqq11 3y ago
  It could be a covert test by the US itself. This would explain the aggressive location and the negative findings. The media report could be used later to paint enemies or just to keep the acceptance of military expenditure up.
thsksbd 3y ago
If they didn't enter the base or break any FAA rules, it would be illegal to interfere with the drone.
- ehnto 3y ago
  I would be surprised if it was not controlled airspace, if not restricted airspace they would have had protocols to follow even just being near the base.
- LVB 3y ago
  They were flying in restricted airspace.
- shiroiushi 3y ago
  FAA rules don't cover military airspace.
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instagib 3y ago
Last I heard, dedicated security wasn’t even military anymore at Langley. It could have changed depending on fpcon levels or how many MP’s we have at home now instead of deployed. Surveillance is one thing, then cameras pointing up, and then having someone to monitor all of it is another entirely. tracking down the alleged drone before it leaves is yet another. Think cop response times. There’s zero reason they should release photos identifying the quality of their surveillance. Basic opsec. All they probably did is get proof, track them, get rid rid of them. No public knowledge necessary until it’s over. I’m enjoying the armchair radar enthusiasts. The more misinformation the better for adversaries.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  The military has equipments and people to trace a radio signal to its source. If they wanted to find the owner, they would have found the owner.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    The assumption that these things use radio signals is not supported by any evidence.
    - actionfromafar 3y ago
      Exactly! It could store and forward (later, after landing, with radio), it could use laser, some kind of very directional radio, it could dead drop a memory card somewhere before diving into a lake, there are so many posssibilities depending on what it is. It could also have been there just to test what the response would be, without recording or doing anything else but hanging around for a while.
      - withinboredom 3y ago
        Nice; that's something I didn't even think of.
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
mock-possum 3y ago
> 170 drone sightings were reported, 115 of which were deemed "credible" by police.[3] No videos or photographs of the drone were given to the police. Wow. All that trouble, and absolutely no hard evidence of anything. What an incredible waste.

cirgue 3y ago

Where did it mention that they were unable to get imagery of the drones or recover one? If the thesis is that this may be a foreign incursion, I very much doubt that they’d broadcast that they’d captured one.

somenameforme 3y ago
This doesn't make sense to me. The government is more than thrilled to stir negative sentiment against every geopolitical competitor we have via the media, if this is one of said competitors drones then they obviously would know if it had been captured, and if you're concerned about public 'panic' - you already released the information anyhow. You also have government planes doing loopity-loos around Langley with their public transponders turned on which shows a desire to make such actions publicly visible and available to literally anybody and everybody on the planet.
- wewxjfq 3y ago
  Sure, after the public circus with the spy balloon, the government is eager to have a round two, this time with off-the-shelf consumer drones. Be honest, a picture of a $1000 drone would leave you totally unfazed.
- cykros 3y ago
  There's one country they've not been so thrilled to publicize when they've acted against us in the past. See: The USS Liberty Incident. Not saying that's what's going on here. But it is the exception to the rule you posit.
pdimitar 3y ago
Bragging about it is a good PR and inspires confidence in your citizens -- even if you didn't actually capture anything. It's rather mystifying that they didn't try to present a strong face after this incident.
- eCa 3y ago
  That’s how you lose trust, if it later is revealed that they didn’t.
  - throwawayqqq11 3y ago
    I wish this effect would be lasting long enough for the next round of finding weapons of mass destruction or defending nation building overseas.
- squarefoot 3y ago
  Any information given would reveal what they can do, and by extension also what they can't, so to me it's perfectly understandable if they keep everything under wraps.
- cirgue 3y ago
  It escalates tensions for no readily identifiable reason. Like we’re not looking to pick a fight with China or Russia right now, and saying “hey y’all we captured a Chinese drone” sounds like a great way to push public opinion over a precipice and create a crisis that serves the interests of quite literally no one.
- gambiting 3y ago
  Back during the cold war, Daily Mail wrote a completely made up article about communist spies infiltrating sleepy English countryside villages, and people started calling up to report the spies they have seen on the streets. It became such a big deal that the government pressured MI5 to go and do something about it, so they "captured" and kicked out of the country a dozen or so communist spies found across the landscape of Britain, to a huge fanfare and celebration in the newspapers. Only years later it came out that that operation was entirely made up too, no one was actually ever found, captured and extradited anywhere, it was entirely just to satify the government and the public(who were riled up by a completely made up story in a trash newspaper).

nimbius 3y ago

agreed, this seems like a 15 page nothingburger of stock photos and conjecture. the likelyhood swarms of UAV's loitered in and out of the military airspace with no photos, no pursuit, or capture seems like a dubious claim. That no single civilian seems able to corroborate this also seems to suggest the events simply didnt happen. since these things might be dangerous to the general public you might release photos of them? or enlist help from the public/OSINT? sounds more like we're creating a story to help justify the use of expensive NASA resources for a budget review.

throwawayqqq11 3y ago
It could be a covert test by the US itself. This would explain the aggressive location and the negative findings. The media report could be used later to paint enemies or just to keep the acceptance of military expenditure up.

thsksbd 3y ago

If they didn't enter the base or break any FAA rules, it would be illegal to interfere with the drone.

ehnto 3y ago
I would be surprised if it was not controlled airspace, if not restricted airspace they would have had protocols to follow even just being near the base.
LVB 3y ago
They were flying in restricted airspace.
shiroiushi 3y ago
FAA rules don't cover military airspace.

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instagib 3y ago

Last I heard, dedicated security wasn’t even military anymore at Langley. It could have changed depending on fpcon levels or how many MP’s we have at home now instead of deployed. Surveillance is one thing, then cameras pointing up, and then having someone to monitor all of it is another entirely. tracking down the alleged drone before it leaves is yet another. Think cop response times. There’s zero reason they should release photos identifying the quality of their surveillance. Basic opsec. All they probably did is get proof, track them, get rid rid of them. No public knowledge necessary until it’s over. I’m enjoying the armchair radar enthusiasts. The more misinformation the better for adversaries.

withinboredom 3y ago
The military has equipments and people to trace a radio signal to its source. If they wanted to find the owner, they would have found the owner.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  The assumption that these things use radio signals is not supported by any evidence.
  - actionfromafar 3y ago
    Exactly! It could store and forward (later, after landing, with radio), it could use laser, some kind of very directional radio, it could dead drop a memory card somewhere before diving into a lake, there are so many posssibilities depending on what it is. It could also have been there just to test what the response would be, without recording or doing anything else but hanging around for a while.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      Nice; that's something I didn't even think of.
- actionfromafar 3y ago

mock-possum 3y ago

> 170 drone sightings were reported, 115 of which were deemed "credible" by police.[3] No videos or photographs of the drone were given to the police. Wow. All that trouble, and absolutely no hard evidence of anything. What an incredible waste.