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The "attempts to unify"? You mean Daesh/ISIS? There has been no other attempt to unify so you must mean that. The muslim brotherhood, Morsi, is Hamas/PIJ. This

The "attempts to unify"? You mean Daesh/ISIS? There has been no other attempt to unify so you must mean that. The muslim brotherhood, Morsi, is Hamas/PIJ. This is what is so depressing about some muslims. Let's face facts here: you see massacres and destruction as a positive, not a negative, as long as they "serve islam", and want to turn the middle east back into the hellhole it was before oil. And "serve islam", only in a superficial way ... it should be said that of course this sort of attitude is giving EVERY world power reason AND excuse to destroy islam. Russia is trying to destroy islam, in Chechnya and the Caucasus. India is now trying to destroy islam, in Kashmir (and everywhere else they can). China is trying to destroy islam, in Xinjang, and even in parts of Pakistan. Iran is trying to destroy Islam (yes, really, they will massacre entire countries before they allow a caliph). Australia ... Half of Europe now has governments trying to destroy islam, and if Trump gets elected, out of 6 inhabited continents on earth ONLY ONE will not have government policies targeting islam ... well done, fuck man, well done. Obviously, the next decades are going to be VERY painful for the middle east, islam, and even muslims in the west. VERY painful. Surely that can't be hard to see? And all you see is more opportunity for destruction. Fuck man. I don't understand people like you, I mean, you must realize that even the internet as a whole, never mind a forum like this, is ENTIRELY and heavily against islam, for 100 different reasons. So why are you here if you have even the smallest amount of faith in what you say? You want to live in a supposedly religious hellhole? Go and do that. Plenty of choices available. STOP trying to conquer places.

runarberg 3y ago
Your post comes across as extremely condescending and even racist. Your parent does not deserve this.
- candiodari 3y ago
  I don't get it. He makes a slightly obscured reference and you don't get to call him out on wanting to convert a country into an islamist/terrorist state? Just because the GP doesn't name it directly? I would call out a Frenchman singing the praises of Le Pen as well. I bet people would ALSO say Le Pen is trying to "unify France". She is, kind of. Genetically, so to speak. She's a monster. Not on equal footing with Trump, she is far worse. This is serious. Likewise, Egypt has their fascists, the "muslim brotherhood", and Morsi was at one point their champion. If he didn't get deposed, we might be fighting WW3 now. Really.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Your parent (who never indicated their preferred 3rd person pronouns btw.) never mentioned ISIS, that was you. They mentioned efforts to unite, and you took the leap of logic and stated they must mean ISIS. This is extremely condescending. I say this is a leap of logic, because your narrative is ahistorical. There have been plenty of groups that sought to unify the Muslim world, not necessarily under a single state, and the Muslim Brotherhood is one of those groups. ISIS is not one of these groups however as they sought to rule the Muslim word, not unify. It is the same as saying that Nazi Germany was trying to unify Europe. Your post also came across as racist, although I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way. The reason is you use very loaded and unfair words to describe the Muslim world (such as “hellhole”) and you speak of Muslim affairs as their self created doom, as if they don’t interact with with wider world, only simple action and reaction. They did this, we do that, etc, so really it is them doing it to them selves. I’m not saying you said that, but it sure sounds like you were going that route.
    - candiodari 3y ago
      He mentioned Morsi, and how unfair it is that he was not given control of Egypt. Morsi is muslim brotherhood, and parts of that organisation is Hamas/PIJ/IJ, which is referred to as "Daesh" in Europe/France, there is no real difference between these organisations. Most definitely, Daesh wanted to "unify the muslim world". And sorry but these are obviously religious organisations. They're also worse than Nazis. If these people come to power, war WILL start. And absolutely guaranteed: it won't stop at Israel. It will be WW3. There will soon be no other choice left for anyone. So I disagree strongly: how can I get you to understand that this is comparable to complaining how unfair it is that Hitler wasn't given full control of Germany after the election result of July 1932?
      - runarberg 3y ago
        The link between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood is an entirely made up conspiracy theory. This is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the_Middle_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the... > A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) intelligence report from January 2017 warned that designation of the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization "may fuel extremism" and harm relations with U.S. allies. The report noted that the Brotherhood had "rejected violence as a matter of official policy and opposed al-Qa'ida and ISIS" and that while "a minority of MB [Muslim Brotherhood] members have engaged in violence, most often in response to harsh regime repression, perceived foreign occupation, or civil conflicts", designation of the organization as a terrorist group would prompt concern from U.S. allies in the Middle East "that such a step could destabilize their internal politics, feed extremist narratives, and anger Muslims worldwide." The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected during the very brief time Egypt was a democracy. It is in fact the only democratically elected government Egypt has seen. You may say that the Nazis were also democratically elected, however the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t turn Egypt into a fascist dictatorship, that was al-Sisi, al-Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government in a violent coup, which involved a few massacres, including the Rabaa massacre which killed over a thousand people. If you are concerned about Egyptian terrorist groups, you can’t look past the al-Sisi government’s reign of terror. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension Hamas) have a widely different ideology. The only thing that link them is that they are both Muslim organization and that Hamas (but not the Muslim Brotherhood) sometimes uses terrorism (but for very different reasons than ISIS). If not for the race factor, you could claim that Sinn Féin are also like ISIS and worse then the Nazis, and that a free Ireland would start WW3. This is—off course—ridiculous. Your claim is at best very confused and ahistorical, and at worst it comes across as racist (in the “all Muslims are terrorists”-lite sense).
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runarberg 3y ago

Your post comes across as extremely condescending and even racist. Your parent does not deserve this.

candiodari 3y ago
I don't get it. He makes a slightly obscured reference and you don't get to call him out on wanting to convert a country into an islamist/terrorist state? Just because the GP doesn't name it directly? I would call out a Frenchman singing the praises of Le Pen as well. I bet people would ALSO say Le Pen is trying to "unify France". She is, kind of. Genetically, so to speak. She's a monster. Not on equal footing with Trump, she is far worse. This is serious. Likewise, Egypt has their fascists, the "muslim brotherhood", and Morsi was at one point their champion. If he didn't get deposed, we might be fighting WW3 now. Really.
- runarberg 3y ago
  Your parent (who never indicated their preferred 3rd person pronouns btw.) never mentioned ISIS, that was you. They mentioned efforts to unite, and you took the leap of logic and stated they must mean ISIS. This is extremely condescending. I say this is a leap of logic, because your narrative is ahistorical. There have been plenty of groups that sought to unify the Muslim world, not necessarily under a single state, and the Muslim Brotherhood is one of those groups. ISIS is not one of these groups however as they sought to rule the Muslim word, not unify. It is the same as saying that Nazi Germany was trying to unify Europe. Your post also came across as racist, although I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way. The reason is you use very loaded and unfair words to describe the Muslim world (such as “hellhole”) and you speak of Muslim affairs as their self created doom, as if they don’t interact with with wider world, only simple action and reaction. They did this, we do that, etc, so really it is them doing it to them selves. I’m not saying you said that, but it sure sounds like you were going that route.
  - candiodari 3y ago
    He mentioned Morsi, and how unfair it is that he was not given control of Egypt. Morsi is muslim brotherhood, and parts of that organisation is Hamas/PIJ/IJ, which is referred to as "Daesh" in Europe/France, there is no real difference between these organisations. Most definitely, Daesh wanted to "unify the muslim world". And sorry but these are obviously religious organisations. They're also worse than Nazis. If these people come to power, war WILL start. And absolutely guaranteed: it won't stop at Israel. It will be WW3. There will soon be no other choice left for anyone. So I disagree strongly: how can I get you to understand that this is comparable to complaining how unfair it is that Hitler wasn't given full control of Germany after the election result of July 1932?
    - runarberg 3y ago
      The link between ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood is an entirely made up conspiracy theory. This is from Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the_Middle_East https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Brotherhood#Outside_the... > A Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) intelligence report from January 2017 warned that designation of the Brotherhood as a terrorist organization "may fuel extremism" and harm relations with U.S. allies. The report noted that the Brotherhood had "rejected violence as a matter of official policy and opposed al-Qa'ida and ISIS" and that while "a minority of MB [Muslim Brotherhood] members have engaged in violence, most often in response to harsh regime repression, perceived foreign occupation, or civil conflicts", designation of the organization as a terrorist group would prompt concern from U.S. allies in the Middle East "that such a step could destabilize their internal politics, feed extremist narratives, and anger Muslims worldwide." The Muslim Brotherhood was democratically elected during the very brief time Egypt was a democracy. It is in fact the only democratically elected government Egypt has seen. You may say that the Nazis were also democratically elected, however the Muslim Brotherhood didn’t turn Egypt into a fascist dictatorship, that was al-Sisi, al-Sisi overthrew a democratically elected government in a violent coup, which involved a few massacres, including the Rabaa massacre which killed over a thousand people. If you are concerned about Egyptian terrorist groups, you can’t look past the al-Sisi government’s reign of terror. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood (and by extension Hamas) have a widely different ideology. The only thing that link them is that they are both Muslim organization and that Hamas (but not the Muslim Brotherhood) sometimes uses terrorism (but for very different reasons than ISIS). If not for the race factor, you could claim that Sinn Féin are also like ISIS and worse then the Nazis, and that a free Ireland would start WW3. This is—off course—ridiculous. Your claim is at best very confused and ahistorical, and at worst it comes across as racist (in the “all Muslims are terrorists”-lite sense).

meta_pass 3y ago

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