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If they are so behind they could make it open source instead of open weights and get some help.

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nicce 3y ago
Fully open-source means also providing open access to their data sets? Which is the only valuable thing Twitter (X) has left.
- heyoni 3y ago
  And the one thing they are vehemently protecting from scrapers and other entities. Even nitter threw in the towel.
- EastSmith 3y ago
  > Which is the only valuable thing Twitter (X) has left. reply They have a very valuable user base (all kinds of world leaders for example), so the data is not the only valuable thing they have.
  - nicce 3y ago
    I don’t see difference here. Userbase and their social networks and interactions is the data. They don’t have much value from advertising point of view anymore.
  - sroussey 3y ago
    That’s actually more valuable. Twitters data of small format text is awful for training. Best to just exclude it. There are hundreds of millions of people on Twitter, and a few of them are very smart. I don’t see how that helps here though.
    - Takennickname 3y ago
      It doesn't help here. But the person your responding to is just pushing back against the "Elon destroyed Twitter and there's nothing left" narrative.
xcv123 3y ago
It's all open source. You can download the model and run it locally.
- paraboul 3y ago
  Being free to use doesn't mean it ships with the original recipe.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    What do you mean? The entire model and architecture and executables are fully open source. The training methods are nothing secret, right? The architecture is well known. Expecting the entire training dataset to be fully open is delusional.
    - DaSHacka 3y ago
      > Expecting the entire training dataset to be fully open is delusional. Right, because its not like the training dataset was built off comments posted by all of us in the first place. How ungrateful we are, to demand the ability to access what was unconsentually built off our hard work in the first place.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        https://help.twitter.com/en/using-x/about-grok https://help.twitter.com/en/using-x/about-grok "How was Grok trained? Like most LLM's today, Grok-1 was pre-trained by xAI on a variety of text data from publicly available sources from the Internet up to Q3 2023 and data sets reviewed and curated by AI Tutors who are human reviewers. Grok-1 has not been pre-trained on X data (including public X posts)"

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Fully open-source means also providing open access to their data sets? Which is the only valuable thing Twitter (X) has left.

heyoni 3y ago
And the one thing they are vehemently protecting from scrapers and other entities. Even nitter threw in the towel.
EastSmith 3y ago
> Which is the only valuable thing Twitter (X) has left. reply They have a very valuable user base (all kinds of world leaders for example), so the data is not the only valuable thing they have.
- nicce 3y ago
  I don’t see difference here. Userbase and their social networks and interactions is the data. They don’t have much value from advertising point of view anymore.
- sroussey 3y ago
  That’s actually more valuable. Twitters data of small format text is awful for training. Best to just exclude it. There are hundreds of millions of people on Twitter, and a few of them are very smart. I don’t see how that helps here though.
  - Takennickname 3y ago
    It doesn't help here. But the person your responding to is just pushing back against the "Elon destroyed Twitter and there's nothing left" narrative.

xcv123 3y ago

It's all open source. You can download the model and run it locally.

paraboul 3y ago
Being free to use doesn't mean it ships with the original recipe.
- xcv123 3y ago
  What do you mean? The entire model and architecture and executables are fully open source. The training methods are nothing secret, right? The architecture is well known. Expecting the entire training dataset to be fully open is delusional.
  - DaSHacka 3y ago
    > Expecting the entire training dataset to be fully open is delusional. Right, because its not like the training dataset was built off comments posted by all of us in the first place. How ungrateful we are, to demand the ability to access what was unconsentually built off our hard work in the first place.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      https://help.twitter.com/en/using-x/about-grok https://help.twitter.com/en/using-x/about-grok "How was Grok trained? Like most LLM's today, Grok-1 was pre-trained by xAI on a variety of text data from publicly available sources from the Internet up to Q3 2023 and data sets reviewed and curated by AI Tutors who are human reviewers. Grok-1 has not been pre-trained on X data (including public X posts)"