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How could you possibly arrive at this conclusion? Think of the most famous stories / literature works before year 1500 - myths of Ancient Greece, the bible, anc

How could you possibly arrive at this conclusion? Think of the most famous stories / literature works before year 1500 - myths of Ancient Greece, the bible, ancient folklore about fairy folk - none of it was produced for a market of any kind. You are unfairly taking credit for the fundamental human need of self expression, and assigning it to your preferred ideological position. Can you name 5 famous stories, before year 1500, that were made ‘for the market’? Even penicillin was not created for the market. Most scientific discoveries weren’t.

thaumasiotes 3y ago
> How could you possibly arrive at this conclusion? Because I know what it means to create something for the market? > Can you name 5 famous stories, before year 1500, that were made ‘for the market’? Given that I've already pointed out that all such stories were made for the market, how do you expect me to answer this? Can I name five famous stories from before the year 1500? The Tale of Cupid and Psyche The Shahnameh Nüwa Knocks a Hole in the Sky The Divine Comedy The Epic of Gilgamesh > myths of Ancient Greece, the bible, ancient folklore about fairy folk - none of it was produced for a market of any kind. As I have already pointed out, all of these were produced for a market. Why would you state otherwise? What do you think it means to offer something on a market? (Why do you think the general term for the space where these things live is "the marketplace of ideas"?) > Even penicillin was not created for the market. Most scientific discoveries weren’t. Penicillin wasn't created at all, as you suggest by calling it a "discovery". But we use it today because it was offered on the market by someone who hoped to receive the rewards that the market would offer for it.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  > Given that I've already pointed out that all such stories were made for the market You made unsubstantiated assertion that lays claim to a millennia of human history. You offered no evidence of any kind. > I know what it means to create something for the market Firstly, that that statement itself is debatable. Secondly, one would need extraordinary knowledge of history to make claims about for thousands of stories written across thousands of years. I cannot help but conclude that you are an ideologue and you believe there is no life outside ‘the market’ and when I write something in my personal blog, or invent a story for my child, that’s ’the market’ too. I find this level of ideological appropriation repulsive.

thaumasiotes 3y ago

> How could you possibly arrive at this conclusion? Because I know what it means to create something for the market? > Can you name 5 famous stories, before year 1500, that were made ‘for the market’? Given that I've already pointed out that all such stories were made for the market, how do you expect me to answer this? Can I name five famous stories from before the year 1500? The Tale of Cupid and Psyche The Shahnameh Nüwa Knocks a Hole in the Sky The Divine Comedy The Epic of Gilgamesh > myths of Ancient Greece, the bible, ancient folklore about fairy folk - none of it was produced for a market of any kind. As I have already pointed out, all of these were produced for a market. Why would you state otherwise? What do you think it means to offer something on a market? (Why do you think the general term for the space where these things live is "the marketplace of ideas"?) > Even penicillin was not created for the market. Most scientific discoveries weren’t. Penicillin wasn't created at all, as you suggest by calling it a "discovery". But we use it today because it was offered on the market by someone who hoped to receive the rewards that the market would offer for it.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> Given that I've already pointed out that all such stories were made for the market You made unsubstantiated assertion that lays claim to a millennia of human history. You offered no evidence of any kind. > I know what it means to create something for the market Firstly, that that statement itself is debatable. Secondly, one would need extraordinary knowledge of history to make claims about for thousands of stories written across thousands of years. I cannot help but conclude that you are an ideologue and you believe there is no life outside ‘the market’ and when I write something in my personal blog, or invent a story for my child, that’s ’the market’ too. I find this level of ideological appropriation repulsive.