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> But the more general idea that the arrangement of the solar system when you were born affects your personality (among other things) -- this is obviously reaso

> But the more general idea that the arrangement of the solar system when you were born affects your personality (among other things) -- this is obviously reasonable. It is not, in any way, reasonable.

pests 3y ago
The arrangement of the solar system -> birth month -> time of the year your mother was gestating you -> different conditions for different people during key growth phases (summer abundance vs harsher winters) Only way I could see it.
samatman 3y ago
Reasonable is not a synonym for true.
lukan 3y ago
Well, the gravity alone definitely affects us, so also our personality. But whether it affects us in any meaningful way, is doubtful, since the force is really, really small. What definitely has an impact is, in what season you were born(if there are seasons). Whether your first steps outside are in snow, or in warm sun. That has an effect on development. Still, I always loved Astronomy and could never understand the appeal of Astrology in the first place. It never made the slightest sense. So if I am born on day X, I am supposed to have trait A, but if I would be born some hours later I should be personality Y? (besides the fact, that the baby was alive and conscious before the birth). The reason why people take it serious, is probably to find guidance in a chaotic world and they seem to think some guidance is better than none (but I rather have no guiding, than one that makes no sense to me in the first place).
- icepat 3y ago
  > Well, the gravity alone definitely affects us, so also our personality. You're talking absolute micro-units of G force difference. Within a margin of error of most sensors. Orders of magnitude lower than we can detect as humans physically. And even if we were not, how is there an obvious correlation between these two? This is the exact sort of pseudo-scientific nonsense that's being spewed everywhere these days.
  - lukan 3y ago
    "This is the exact sort of pseudo-scientific nonsense that's being spewed everywhere these days." Instead of insulting, you could have also quoted my complete statement: "But whether it affects us in any meaningful way, is doubtful, since the force is really, really small." "And even if we were not, how is there an obvious correlation between these two?" Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect? A small change here, can lead to a big outcome there. Change a brain cell here and a neuron there and who knows what happens in the long run. But like I said, the forces in this case are really, really small.
    - icepat 3y ago
      > who knows what happens in the long run This is simply an appeal to ignorance, who knows indeed. But that does not mean "anything in possible".
      - lukan 3y ago
        You do agree, that the personality depends on what the brain processes at a certain time, right? Do you rule out, that this process is influenced by gravity?
        icepat 3y ago
        I'm sorry, but I'm not going to engage in a hypothetical conversation about possibility that unimaginably small gravitational fluctuations affect brain composition to a noticeable degree.
        lukan 3y ago
        You certainly don't have to engage in conversations about things you cannot imagine. Would not be much point in it. But I mean, this article was literally about a measurable effect from Mars on Earths climate and I never claimed there was a measurable effect or any significant effect at all on the brain (that would support Astrology). Just that there is influence.

pests 3y ago

The arrangement of the solar system -> birth month -> time of the year your mother was gestating you -> different conditions for different people during key growth phases (summer abundance vs harsher winters) Only way I could see it.

samatman 3y ago

Reasonable is not a synonym for true.

lukan 3y ago

Well, the gravity alone definitely affects us, so also our personality. But whether it affects us in any meaningful way, is doubtful, since the force is really, really small. What definitely has an impact is, in what season you were born(if there are seasons). Whether your first steps outside are in snow, or in warm sun. That has an effect on development. Still, I always loved Astronomy and could never understand the appeal of Astrology in the first place. It never made the slightest sense. So if I am born on day X, I am supposed to have trait A, but if I would be born some hours later I should be personality Y? (besides the fact, that the baby was alive and conscious before the birth). The reason why people take it serious, is probably to find guidance in a chaotic world and they seem to think some guidance is better than none (but I rather have no guiding, than one that makes no sense to me in the first place).

icepat 3y ago
> Well, the gravity alone definitely affects us, so also our personality. You're talking absolute micro-units of G force difference. Within a margin of error of most sensors. Orders of magnitude lower than we can detect as humans physically. And even if we were not, how is there an obvious correlation between these two? This is the exact sort of pseudo-scientific nonsense that's being spewed everywhere these days.
- lukan 3y ago
  "This is the exact sort of pseudo-scientific nonsense that's being spewed everywhere these days." Instead of insulting, you could have also quoted my complete statement: "But whether it affects us in any meaningful way, is doubtful, since the force is really, really small." "And even if we were not, how is there an obvious correlation between these two?" Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect? A small change here, can lead to a big outcome there. Change a brain cell here and a neuron there and who knows what happens in the long run. But like I said, the forces in this case are really, really small.
  - icepat 3y ago
    > who knows what happens in the long run This is simply an appeal to ignorance, who knows indeed. But that does not mean "anything in possible".
    - lukan 3y ago
      You do agree, that the personality depends on what the brain processes at a certain time, right? Do you rule out, that this process is influenced by gravity?
      - icepat 3y ago
        I'm sorry, but I'm not going to engage in a hypothetical conversation about possibility that unimaginably small gravitational fluctuations affect brain composition to a noticeable degree.
        lukan 3y ago
        You certainly don't have to engage in conversations about things you cannot imagine. Would not be much point in it. But I mean, this article was literally about a measurable effect from Mars on Earths climate and I never claimed there was a measurable effect or any significant effect at all on the brain (that would support Astrology). Just that there is influence.