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I offered to help out with the Perl 6 logo, as I had both experience writing Perl as a career and having gone to art and design school - while also running a pr

I offered to help out with the Perl 6 logo, as I had both experience writing Perl as a career and having gone to art and design school - while also running a printing studio of my own. I joined the Perl6 dev mailing lists, listened in on them, offered my support, gave a broad stroke on design ideas, backed them up with reasonable arguments and asked for comments. Larry chimed in basically saying, "no, because this sucks" and not too long later the Camelia butterfly[0] thing was born. So yeah, I bounced. Larry may be brilliant, but maybe he also has a history of not knowing when to delegate tasks (and trust). And now Perl WAS something, rather than IS something. [0] https://raku.org/camelia-logo.png https://raku.org/camelia-logo.png

pvaldes 3y ago
That cheap logo did serious brand damage...
- justinator 3y ago
  "Perl 6" in a monotype typeface would have been worlds better.
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    An elegant logo having "Camellia" is straightforward to design. They could even have some fun, use the fact that Camellia is the Tea plant and lampoon Java (with a flower floating on a cup for example, Japanese style). That would had sent the correct message of "we are back, unafraid to comparisons, and want our throne returned". And would be perfectly inclusive for both men and women. We all ask the children to name the pets. Is cute, but often we live to regret it. With logos is the same.
    - justinator 3y ago
      I love it - these are really good, fun ideas.
counterpartyrsk 3y ago
Can you provide a link to this conversation? I'd love to hear your input or see what you proposed.
justinator 3y ago
To clarify, I am OK if Larry shot down a design idea on Perl 6 itself, but there WAS a RFC of design ideas, which I did not contribute because honestly, I am not qualified to design a language. I am qualified to help design a logo. And if the feedback was, "great ideas, but not the direction I want to go. What about..." or anything similar, that would be a fine way to show that my offer for doing free work is still happily welcome, with reasonable direction from the owner of the project. You know like a discussion. There's some great OS logos. The Linux Penguin was great. BSD Daemon, etc, etc, etc. I love the camel, but that's not owned by Perl. It's not an impossible task.

pvaldes 3y ago

That cheap logo did serious brand damage...

justinator 3y ago
"Perl 6" in a monotype typeface would have been worlds better.
- pvaldes 3y ago
  An elegant logo having "Camellia" is straightforward to design. They could even have some fun, use the fact that Camellia is the Tea plant and lampoon Java (with a flower floating on a cup for example, Japanese style). That would had sent the correct message of "we are back, unafraid to comparisons, and want our throne returned". And would be perfectly inclusive for both men and women. We all ask the children to name the pets. Is cute, but often we live to regret it. With logos is the same.
  - justinator 3y ago
    I love it - these are really good, fun ideas.

counterpartyrsk 3y ago

Can you provide a link to this conversation? I'd love to hear your input or see what you proposed.

justinator 3y ago

To clarify, I am OK if Larry shot down a design idea on Perl 6 itself, but there WAS a RFC of design ideas, which I did not contribute because honestly, I am not qualified to design a language. I am qualified to help design a logo. And if the feedback was, "great ideas, but not the direction I want to go. What about..." or anything similar, that would be a fine way to show that my offer for doing free work is still happily welcome, with reasonable direction from the owner of the project. You know like a discussion. There's some great OS logos. The Linux Penguin was great. BSD Daemon, etc, etc, etc. I love the camel, but that's not owned by Perl. It's not an impossible task.