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Vietnamese sources from 2023 have plenty of information and are credible… because it’s Vietnam. Many don’t publish in English, or publish only truncated version

Vietnamese sources from 2023 have plenty of information and are credible… because it’s Vietnam. Many don’t publish in English, or publish only truncated versions in English. How do you not know this? Or do you not believe that they exist after 2018? Frankly, if you actually know what’s what, you would also know how to get copies of this information directly from the relevant ministries in Hanoi. So there’s no need to take my word, or any third party’s word, for it either way.

alephnerd 3y ago
> Vietnamese sources from 2023 have plenty of information and are credible… because it’s Vietnam. Do you not believe that they exist after 2018 Participation in the VNR500 (the list the MoF mentioned in it's article in 2018) is optional and self reported [0]. I don't think YOU actually read the VNR500's rules and requirements. > you would also know how to get copies of this information directly from the relevant ministries in Hanoi I don't want to physically fly to Hanoi and ask for documents that I'm not even sure I'd be allowed to view. Most Ministries in Vietnam are extremely opaque and don't publish numbers and metrics openly, and when they do, they tend to publish it physically instead of digitally. Any numbers that get published digitally are difficult in turn to access aside from PR announcements, as a number of Vietnamese sites (government and private) rate limit access abroad. All we can say is total trade between VN and SK is approx $80B in 2023 [1], and South Korea has been the largest source of FDI in Vietnam since Đổi Mới [2]. I'd also recommend you visit Vietnam sometime to see the changes I'm talking about. > How do you not know this? I do NOT appreciate this tone. This is a forum and it's Sunday. I don't need to justify jack to you, this isn't 14.771 [0] - https://vnr500.com.vn/QAs-Bang-xep-hang-Top-500-doanh-nghiep-lon-Viet-Nam--VNR500-2016-6130-1009.html https://vnr500.com.vn/QAs-Bang-xep-hang-Top-500-doanh-nghiep... [1] - https://www.mofa.go.kr/eng/nation/m_4902/view.do?seq=38 https://www.mofa.go.kr/eng/nation/m_4902/view.do?seq=38 [2] - https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/economy/recapping-a-35-year-journey-vietnam-s-fdi-4679123.html https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/economy/recapping-a-35...
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
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  - AlchemistCamp 3y ago
    > ‘alpehnerd’ looks like a random pseudonym account to me And based on karma, it appears to be an account that people have found more helpful than yours! If this thread is anything to go by, the author seems both knowledgeable and reasonable whereas you’ve been needlessly hostile throughout.
    - MichaelZuo 3y ago
      Frankly, judging HN accounts based on total karma, and not based on comment/submission history, real world credibility, etc…, is bizarre. (I’ve never encountered before someone who genuinely believe this) But I digress, Did you read my comments to the end? If so, and you still decline to check, then here’s the gist: The ‘knowledgeable’ comments are likely confabulated by someone who has never even picked up a bonafide economic statistic publication in the original Vietnamese, or made even a single inquiry to an actual decision making entity in Hanoi. Maybe they are half true, being generous. If pointing this out counts as ‘hostile’, then I don’t care enough to address this claim, but I’m glad to be doing a public service for those who would have been misled.
      - NemoNobody 3y ago
        The app I use to read HN doesn't even display up votes or karma and I can't see my past comments - I only just realized this was a thing and I've never got around actually looking at it. If I don't have negative karma I'd be surprised and this is obviously not my real name, it's not a throw away but it might as well be. If I say 1 + 1 is 2 tho it's still 2 tho. Truth can come from any mouthpiece, even Trump can ramble his way into a true statement occasionally, and even in that example, said truth cannot be refuted simply bc he is a liar most of the time. Haha, I've never ever thought like "oh, thank God that person that disagrees with me has such low credibility that I don't have to defend my ideas" - that's kinda sad actually
Pigalowda 3y ago
> Vietnamese sources are credible because it’s Vietnam. What an incredible sentence. Do you ‘trust the bro’?
- alephnerd 3y ago
  For this discussion, Vietnamese sources are credible. The issue is accessing said sources are difficult as the Vietnamese Government kinda sucks at digitizing and presenting financial and economic data. Also, most of these subsidiaries are not publicly listed, so any revenue attached to them will be listed within the division it is a part of (Eg. Lotte Cultureworks VN revenue will be treated as part of the larger Lotte Cultureworks SEA bucket in any listings) My hunch is they probably provide good data to Korean and Japanese financial data aggregators (eg. Mitsui or Shinhan), but I can't be bothered to brush up my Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese on a Sunday for a random comment on a forum. This is effort that companies pay people to do. I ain't doing it for free on my weekend

alephnerd 3y ago

> Vietnamese sources from 2023 have plenty of information and are credible… because it’s Vietnam. Do you not believe that they exist after 2018 Participation in the VNR500 (the list the MoF mentioned in it's article in 2018) is optional and self reported [0]. I don't think YOU actually read the VNR500's rules and requirements. > you would also know how to get copies of this information directly from the relevant ministries in Hanoi I don't want to physically fly to Hanoi and ask for documents that I'm not even sure I'd be allowed to view. Most Ministries in Vietnam are extremely opaque and don't publish numbers and metrics openly, and when they do, they tend to publish it physically instead of digitally. Any numbers that get published digitally are difficult in turn to access aside from PR announcements, as a number of Vietnamese sites (government and private) rate limit access abroad. All we can say is total trade between VN and SK is approx $80B in 2023 [1], and South Korea has been the largest source of FDI in Vietnam since Đổi Mới [2]. I'd also recommend you visit Vietnam sometime to see the changes I'm talking about. > How do you not know this? I do NOT appreciate this tone. This is a forum and it's Sunday. I don't need to justify jack to you, this isn't 14.771 [0] - https://vnr500.com.vn/QAs-Bang-xep-hang-Top-500-doanh-nghiep-lon-Viet-Nam--VNR500-2016-6130-1009.html https://vnr500.com.vn/QAs-Bang-xep-hang-Top-500-doanh-nghiep... [1] - https://www.mofa.go.kr/eng/nation/m_4902/view.do?seq=38 https://www.mofa.go.kr/eng/nation/m_4902/view.do?seq=38 [2] - https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/economy/recapping-a-35-year-journey-vietnam-s-fdi-4679123.html https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/economy/recapping-a-35...

MichaelZuo 3y ago
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- AlchemistCamp 3y ago
  > ‘alpehnerd’ looks like a random pseudonym account to me And based on karma, it appears to be an account that people have found more helpful than yours! If this thread is anything to go by, the author seems both knowledgeable and reasonable whereas you’ve been needlessly hostile throughout.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Frankly, judging HN accounts based on total karma, and not based on comment/submission history, real world credibility, etc…, is bizarre. (I’ve never encountered before someone who genuinely believe this) But I digress, Did you read my comments to the end? If so, and you still decline to check, then here’s the gist: The ‘knowledgeable’ comments are likely confabulated by someone who has never even picked up a bonafide economic statistic publication in the original Vietnamese, or made even a single inquiry to an actual decision making entity in Hanoi. Maybe they are half true, being generous. If pointing this out counts as ‘hostile’, then I don’t care enough to address this claim, but I’m glad to be doing a public service for those who would have been misled.
    - NemoNobody 3y ago
      The app I use to read HN doesn't even display up votes or karma and I can't see my past comments - I only just realized this was a thing and I've never got around actually looking at it. If I don't have negative karma I'd be surprised and this is obviously not my real name, it's not a throw away but it might as well be. If I say 1 + 1 is 2 tho it's still 2 tho. Truth can come from any mouthpiece, even Trump can ramble his way into a true statement occasionally, and even in that example, said truth cannot be refuted simply bc he is a liar most of the time. Haha, I've never ever thought like "oh, thank God that person that disagrees with me has such low credibility that I don't have to defend my ideas" - that's kinda sad actually

Pigalowda 3y ago

> Vietnamese sources are credible because it’s Vietnam. What an incredible sentence. Do you ‘trust the bro’?

alephnerd 3y ago
For this discussion, Vietnamese sources are credible. The issue is accessing said sources are difficult as the Vietnamese Government kinda sucks at digitizing and presenting financial and economic data. Also, most of these subsidiaries are not publicly listed, so any revenue attached to them will be listed within the division it is a part of (Eg. Lotte Cultureworks VN revenue will be treated as part of the larger Lotte Cultureworks SEA bucket in any listings) My hunch is they probably provide good data to Korean and Japanese financial data aggregators (eg. Mitsui or Shinhan), but I can't be bothered to brush up my Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese on a Sunday for a random comment on a forum. This is effort that companies pay people to do. I ain't doing it for free on my weekend