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how exactly do you know this and why come on here and state it as a fact? its a dubious claim at best, and if it were true would require asking the elephant si

how exactly do you know this and why come on here and state it as a fact? its a dubious claim at best, and if it were true would require asking the elephant sized question in the room - why collect my data if you arent going to use/sell it anyway? is collecting ny data just a fun internal project at Apple?

zaphirplane 3y ago
> its a dubious claim at best Wow I’ll bite, proof by contradiction. There isn’t a single credible article claiming apple sells their customers information
esskay 3y ago
What data are they collecting about you, and who is it being sold to? With Facebook its an easy answer - hobbies, intererests and habbits to use for targeted advertising. That logic doesn't quite work for Apple given they arent showing ads on your OS, only in the app store. It's pretty obvious Apple's revenue focus is on hardware and services, not on ads.
- xibbie 3y ago
  This is neither obvious nor accurate. Apple's advertising business is estimated to be closing in on $10Bn yearly, while their browser pre-load deal with Google brings them in even more than that, and data-sharing agreements are assumed to be part of the deal. The fallacy that Apple can be trusted with your data because it makes more money elsewhere is incredibly naive and unilateral.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    Just to put this in perspective, Apple's yearly revenue is closing around 400B. 10B is in the "other" category in the revenue chart. The ads are still only in the App store, where you need to specifically go and look for... apps. And you'll get ads for... apps. You're not getting personalised ads for incontinence products because Apple doesn't know nor care that you have frequently visited a doctor specialising in said issues. Your phone does and Siri will suggest you the exact place as a destination if you start up maps in your CarPlay view. Google and FB _will_ serve you said ads and with eery accuracy and speed. (I've visited a niche product store on my desktop browser, opened Instagram 5 minutes later and received ads for that exact niche)
  - esskay 3y ago
    > data-sharing agreements are assumed to be part of the deal You're making a massive assumption there. Unless you can back that up it is what it is - fud. You'll be fully aware that as part of Google's anti-trust case Apple was only willing to enter into data sharing with Google if they provided data to Apple, which they refused to do. So again, we're still in a position of the only place Apple is focused on ads is the app store, so I'll ask again. What data are they collecting about you, and who is it being sold to?

zaphirplane 3y ago

> its a dubious claim at best Wow I’ll bite, proof by contradiction. There isn’t a single credible article claiming apple sells their customers information

esskay 3y ago

What data are they collecting about you, and who is it being sold to? With Facebook its an easy answer - hobbies, intererests and habbits to use for targeted advertising. That logic doesn't quite work for Apple given they arent showing ads on your OS, only in the app store. It's pretty obvious Apple's revenue focus is on hardware and services, not on ads.

xibbie 3y ago
This is neither obvious nor accurate. Apple's advertising business is estimated to be closing in on $10Bn yearly, while their browser pre-load deal with Google brings them in even more than that, and data-sharing agreements are assumed to be part of the deal. The fallacy that Apple can be trusted with your data because it makes more money elsewhere is incredibly naive and unilateral.
- theshrike79 3y ago
  Just to put this in perspective, Apple's yearly revenue is closing around 400B. 10B is in the "other" category in the revenue chart. The ads are still only in the App store, where you need to specifically go and look for... apps. And you'll get ads for... apps. You're not getting personalised ads for incontinence products because Apple doesn't know nor care that you have frequently visited a doctor specialising in said issues. Your phone does and Siri will suggest you the exact place as a destination if you start up maps in your CarPlay view. Google and FB _will_ serve you said ads and with eery accuracy and speed. (I've visited a niche product store on my desktop browser, opened Instagram 5 minutes later and received ads for that exact niche)
- esskay 3y ago
  > data-sharing agreements are assumed to be part of the deal You're making a massive assumption there. Unless you can back that up it is what it is - fud. You'll be fully aware that as part of Google's anti-trust case Apple was only willing to enter into data sharing with Google if they provided data to Apple, which they refused to do. So again, we're still in a position of the only place Apple is focused on ads is the app store, so I'll ask again. What data are they collecting about you, and who is it being sold to?