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If you don't see it, you not going to, so I'm not going to try to change your mind. Keep going as you are then, but keep in mind that it's not the ultra rich no

by ein0p 3y ago

If you don't see it, you not going to, so I'm not going to try to change your mind. Keep going as you are then, but keep in mind that it's not the ultra rich nor the poor who will be paying down those trillions. It'll be _you_. Each man, woman and child in the US already owes $100K. Bear that in mind when contemplating whether the government is corrupt, and whether you should let it borrow even more for no apparent benefit. Because frankly, I don't see the benefit, and I ain't going to pay all that. I'm going to retire elsewhere.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
I see. You are equating national debt to corruption? That is a financial discussion. Supply/Demand, markets, investment, accounting. You'd be surprised how much 'free' markets need support to function. I thought you were talking about actual corruption, like giving your cousin the local contract to build a bridge and getting a kick back. It is hard to discuss these things when one side is just chanting a simple slogan. Democrats do try to invest in society more, and sometimes that takes on more debt to do that, but that isn't the definition of the word 'corruption'. Republicans do tend to give loans to 'friends' and get kickbacks. That is real 'corruption' and is documented in criminal cases.
- ein0p 3y ago
  Where does the money go? Why are we spending trillions on countless and unnecessary wars? Why does it cost $100B to build high speed rail between SF and LA? Why does it cost $1M to outfit a simple intersection with 4 traffic lights? Why are we spending $4.5T a year on non-functional “healthcare”? Why is it that our politicians get cushy “do nothing” sinecures after they leave “public service”? Etc, etc, etc. Until you start asking these questions yourself you won’t see the world for what it really is.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    >"see the world for what it really is" Well, what is it? Do Enlighten. This seems like just angry ranting. Half of your complaints are just free-market. Republican's love free-markets until prices go up, boo-hoo. Republican's and Defense industry love wars. High Speed rail, without looking, I'd say geography and real-estate prices. 1M for traffic lights? Maybe high, is 500K ok? It might be high, but it isn't 100X high. CEO's get golden parachutes way bigger than the lowly civil servant driving a used car making 50K.
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Learn what “Uniparty” is, and then maybe the clouds will part and you will see that both “parties” are really just one lobbyist controlled party which is really efficient at robbing you and depriving your children and grandchildren of a decent future. You’ll continue to be very confused until you see that by and large what we have in this country is an illusion of democracy and no matter who you vote for, the wars continue. Obama was bombing something like 7 countries at the time when he received his Nobel. The only president to not start any new wars in the last several decades won his election accidentally because the Uniparty got too cocky.
      - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
        Which president? Sorry. I tend to agree with this sentiment. But it is so hard to tell what people really believe these days. Maybe you'd be surprised, maybe not, but a large number of people expressing this exact view, will also say that the only one that can save us is Trump, he is the only one that can break this cycle. Then they will still just vote for Republicans and consent to be lead along and fall in line with the same things you are pointing out. Lambs to the slaughter in their loyalty. What to do? Third parties never take off.

by ein0p 3y ago

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

I see. You are equating national debt to corruption? That is a financial discussion. Supply/Demand, markets, investment, accounting. You'd be surprised how much 'free' markets need support to function. I thought you were talking about actual corruption, like giving your cousin the local contract to build a bridge and getting a kick back. It is hard to discuss these things when one side is just chanting a simple slogan. Democrats do try to invest in society more, and sometimes that takes on more debt to do that, but that isn't the definition of the word 'corruption'. Republicans do tend to give loans to 'friends' and get kickbacks. That is real 'corruption' and is documented in criminal cases.

ein0p 3y ago
Where does the money go? Why are we spending trillions on countless and unnecessary wars? Why does it cost $100B to build high speed rail between SF and LA? Why does it cost $1M to outfit a simple intersection with 4 traffic lights? Why are we spending $4.5T a year on non-functional “healthcare”? Why is it that our politicians get cushy “do nothing” sinecures after they leave “public service”? Etc, etc, etc. Until you start asking these questions yourself you won’t see the world for what it really is.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  >"see the world for what it really is" Well, what is it? Do Enlighten. This seems like just angry ranting. Half of your complaints are just free-market. Republican's love free-markets until prices go up, boo-hoo. Republican's and Defense industry love wars. High Speed rail, without looking, I'd say geography and real-estate prices. 1M for traffic lights? Maybe high, is 500K ok? It might be high, but it isn't 100X high. CEO's get golden parachutes way bigger than the lowly civil servant driving a used car making 50K.
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Learn what “Uniparty” is, and then maybe the clouds will part and you will see that both “parties” are really just one lobbyist controlled party which is really efficient at robbing you and depriving your children and grandchildren of a decent future. You’ll continue to be very confused until you see that by and large what we have in this country is an illusion of democracy and no matter who you vote for, the wars continue. Obama was bombing something like 7 countries at the time when he received his Nobel. The only president to not start any new wars in the last several decades won his election accidentally because the Uniparty got too cocky.
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      Which president? Sorry. I tend to agree with this sentiment. But it is so hard to tell what people really believe these days. Maybe you'd be surprised, maybe not, but a large number of people expressing this exact view, will also say that the only one that can save us is Trump, he is the only one that can break this cycle. Then they will still just vote for Republicans and consent to be lead along and fall in line with the same things you are pointing out. Lambs to the slaughter in their loyalty. What to do? Third parties never take off.