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This is so absurd. If this is legal, it surely shouldn't be. Remote work works.

bunbun69 3y ago
You want to make it illegal to not give promotions? What could go wrong!
dangus 3y ago
I think the companies who do this think they’re being clever by soft-firing their less passionate employees and retaining their most dedicated and/or most easily influenced employees. In reality they’re doing a layoff of their most competent employees who are best able to find work elsewhere from companies that respect their desire to work from home. The idea that you can’t change roles or be promoted by being remote is particularly absurd.
- BlackjackCF 3y ago
  How do management teams get to such a point where they’re so wildly out of touch like this? I guess the only nice thing is that they’re being upfront about it so people know to bail/not join.
Wowfunhappy 3y ago
How exactly would you outlaw this? I am currently an elementary school teacher. I am not allowed to work remotely, and this is as it should be. How do you determine, by law, which jobs can legally require people to work on-site, and which cannot?
- karaterobot 3y ago
  Well, it's not a question of whether people are allowed to work on remotely or not. That's not at issue in this situation: Dell's policy is that you can if you want. The issue is on what grounds people should be promoted. This may also be entirely at the discretion of the company, and any silly reasons it wants to use. Or, it may be classified as a form of discrimination, like refusing to promote someone because of ethnicity, gender, disability, age, or other categories. I don't know the law here, if it's even been settled.
  - harvey9 3y ago
    Disability is the one most likely to crop up. If you really have difficulty getting to an office but are otherwise capable in your role then a court may see this as discrimination. Dell could just make exceptions for capable disabled staff.
- harvey9 3y ago
  The conversation statrted with people who currently work remotely for Dell - Dell has determined that those staff can work remotely but would not be promoted. Obviously elementrary school teachers are not in that group any more than Dell factory and warehouse staff are.

You want to make it illegal to not give promotions? What could go wrong!

I think the companies who do this think they’re being clever by soft-firing their less passionate employees and retaining their most dedicated and/or most easily influenced employees. In reality they’re doing a layoff of their most competent employees who are best able to find work elsewhere from companies that respect their desire to work from home. The idea that you can’t change roles or be promoted by being remote is particularly absurd.

BlackjackCF 3y ago
How do management teams get to such a point where they’re so wildly out of touch like this? I guess the only nice thing is that they’re being upfront about it so people know to bail/not join.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago

How exactly would you outlaw this? I am currently an elementary school teacher. I am not allowed to work remotely, and this is as it should be. How do you determine, by law, which jobs can legally require people to work on-site, and which cannot?

karaterobot 3y ago
Well, it's not a question of whether people are allowed to work on remotely or not. That's not at issue in this situation: Dell's policy is that you can if you want. The issue is on what grounds people should be promoted. This may also be entirely at the discretion of the company, and any silly reasons it wants to use. Or, it may be classified as a form of discrimination, like refusing to promote someone because of ethnicity, gender, disability, age, or other categories. I don't know the law here, if it's even been settled.
- harvey9 3y ago
  Disability is the one most likely to crop up. If you really have difficulty getting to an office but are otherwise capable in your role then a court may see this as discrimination. Dell could just make exceptions for capable disabled staff.
harvey9 3y ago
The conversation statrted with people who currently work remotely for Dell - Dell has determined that those staff can work remotely but would not be promoted. Obviously elementrary school teachers are not in that group any more than Dell factory and warehouse staff are.