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Nobody, nobody, nobody cares about old hardware, performance, users, etc. if anyone cared, React wouldn't be a success. The last time I tried to use the react w

Nobody, nobody, nobody cares about old hardware, performance, users, etc. if anyone cared, React wouldn't be a success. The last time I tried to use the react website on an old phone, it was slow as hell. LetsEncrypt is stopping serving Android 7 this year. Android 7 will be blocked from 19% of the web: https://letsencrypt.org/2023/07/10/cross-sign-expiration https://letsencrypt.org/2023/07/10/cross-sign-expiration The option is to install Firefox. Users with old hardware are poor people. Nobody wants poor people around, not even using their website. “Fuck the user”, that's what we heard from a PO when we tried to defend users, imagine if we tried to defend poor users.

supertrope 3y ago
I think Let's Encrypt made a heroic effort. They deployed a hack to support Androids long abandoned by the operating system maintainer and manufacturer. If you want to blame LE for the breakage then also blame: GOOG for using the IBM PC clone business model without a device tree standard, QCOM for selling chips but very quickly cutting support, the manufacturer, and cellular carriers who prefer to lock you into another 24 month installment plan than approve an update for your existing handset.
- zac23or 3y ago
  > If you want to blame LE for the breakage then also blame ... Of course they are also guilty. LE isn't the most to blame in reality, it's just an example that old hardware isn't important to decision makers.
robocat 3y ago
> PO What's the acronym? Unfortunately acronyms are context sensitive and many users here are not in your context... Maybe try to avoid using acronyms!
- gkbrk 3y ago
  Product owner?
- zac23or 3y ago
  Product Owner
jiggawatts 3y ago
The problem is that this attitude infects even government departments, which ought to serve all citizens, not just the rich ones.
Nextgrid 3y ago
React is successful because of the tech/VC bubble, not because it's some miracle technology. The actual websites where React is useful can be measured in single-digit percentages (effectively a full-blown application requiring a desktop-like experience, think a trading terminal). It is overkill for everything else.

supertrope 3y ago

I think Let's Encrypt made a heroic effort. They deployed a hack to support Androids long abandoned by the operating system maintainer and manufacturer. If you want to blame LE for the breakage then also blame: GOOG for using the IBM PC clone business model without a device tree standard, QCOM for selling chips but very quickly cutting support, the manufacturer, and cellular carriers who prefer to lock you into another 24 month installment plan than approve an update for your existing handset.

zac23or 3y ago
> If you want to blame LE for the breakage then also blame ... Of course they are also guilty. LE isn't the most to blame in reality, it's just an example that old hardware isn't important to decision makers.

robocat 3y ago

> PO What's the acronym? Unfortunately acronyms are context sensitive and many users here are not in your context... Maybe try to avoid using acronyms!

gkbrk 3y ago
Product owner?
zac23or 3y ago
Product Owner

jiggawatts 3y ago

The problem is that this attitude infects even government departments, which ought to serve all citizens, not just the rich ones.

Nextgrid 3y ago

React is successful because of the tech/VC bubble, not because it's some miracle technology. The actual websites where React is useful can be measured in single-digit percentages (effectively a full-blown application requiring a desktop-like experience, think a trading terminal). It is overkill for everything else.