> Before cloudflare, it was difficult to run a DDoS-for-hire service because competing services would all DDoS each others' websites. I mean, you don't need we

> Before cloudflare, it was difficult to run a DDoS-for-hire service because competing services would all DDoS each others' websites. I mean, you don't need websites to advertise. Most DDoS-for-hire services back before 2009 advertised on IRC, NNTP, via ads in .NFO files found in warez releases found on Kazaa and BitTorrent, and so forth. (Some of the very tech-headed ones ones had Freenet sites.)