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It's you who doesn't make much sense in this thread. > released within the last 3–5 years So, pretty much only the very fresh devices then. > have L1,L2,L5 G

It's you who doesn't make much sense in this thread. > released within the last 3–5 years So, pretty much only the very fresh devices then. > have L1,L2,L5 GPS chipsets That's not going to reduce cold TTFF to seconds without online assistance (which, by the way, is not what MLS is about). > work not only with the "original" GPS but also Galileo, QZSS and others Same as above. None of the constellations or assistance data help when you can't see the sky. > then the rapid adoption of Apple's FindMy network (and the equivalent for Google) surely cannot have escaped your attention How is it relevant and how can it be used by anyone who isn't Apple or Google? > The reality is there is fast becoming no need for a third-party service such as the one Mozilla provided The reality is that I'm not aware of any currently existing alternatives to MLS that could be used by Geoclue or microG, which provide non-GNSS location on many phones out there, which is essential to provide anything resembling a good user experience when it comes to location. The opposite of what you said is true - there's a rapidly growing need for this kind of service as more FLOSS starts to be used on mobile phones.

traceroute66 3y ago
> How is it relevant and how can it be used by anyone who isn't Apple or Google? It is relevant because most people on the planet are not like you. Most people on the planet use Apple, Google or indeed both. Meanwhile, services such as the one Mozilla used to offer cost time and money to maintain. There's servers to maintain, software to maintain, CDN bills to pay. If your user base is effectively a bunch of die-hard anti-Apple, anti-Google people, then its not worth the time or effort. We are afterall, talking about location services here, not e.g. email where sure there's a market for non-Apple, non-Google. For location services in 2024 there is little reason for people to not use what their device comes with, frankly.
- seba_dos1 3y ago
  Ah, okay. So you have no idea what you're talking about and don't care about what we're discussing here then, thanks for clarifying. There are devices that don't come from Apple or Google at all that rely on MLS and need a location service, regardless of whether you believe it's worth the effort or not.

traceroute66 3y ago

> How is it relevant and how can it be used by anyone who isn't Apple or Google? It is relevant because most people on the planet are not like you. Most people on the planet use Apple, Google or indeed both. Meanwhile, services such as the one Mozilla used to offer cost time and money to maintain. There's servers to maintain, software to maintain, CDN bills to pay. If your user base is effectively a bunch of die-hard anti-Apple, anti-Google people, then its not worth the time or effort. We are afterall, talking about location services here, not e.g. email where sure there's a market for non-Apple, non-Google. For location services in 2024 there is little reason for people to not use what their device comes with, frankly.

seba_dos1 3y ago
Ah, okay. So you have no idea what you're talking about and don't care about what we're discussing here then, thanks for clarifying. There are devices that don't come from Apple or Google at all that rely on MLS and need a location service, regardless of whether you believe it's worth the effort or not.