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> My cousin in Germany is doing a 1-year long IT schooling course (going from how a PC works, how Win and Linux work, Shell/PS scripting to python and AWS) and

> My cousin in Germany is doing a 1-year long IT schooling course (going from how a PC works, how Win and Linux work, Shell/PS scripting to python and AWS) and the course material has all the technical terms in German: "Rechner", "Speicher", Ordner", "Betriebssystem", instead of Computer, Memory, Folder, Operating system. Those are established popular terms with nearly half a century of usage. Newer or less popular terms are often just English. > Almost nothing from the course material is in English, which was shocking to me Maybe you don't see it? What about shell, cloud, webservice, etc. Is there something about router, switch, smartphone, microservice, AI? Ai is a pretty funny case, as there is a German term for it (KI), but in the new hype now, it's barely used at all, even in academics. > So despite the new clothing, Germany is still a conservative digital dinosaur underneath It's not conservative to have your own culture and history.

Rinzler89 3y ago
>It's not conservative to have your own culture and history. Relax, nobody's saying to take your beer and Lederhosen away, but why force your own translations to established industry technical words onto students? It just creates confusion and hampers further self learning and cooperation as the lingua franca of IT is Englisch anyway.
- flohofwoe 3y ago
  TBH, if a student lacks the brain capacity to translate German technical terms to English in a course that's held in German language then I would question the fitness of said student for a technical job in general.
  - Rinzler89 3y ago
    It's not a job, it's a course. Not everyone attending such a course is fluent bilingual. But that's beside the point. The original point we if the vast majority of the technical IT jargon is English anyway why do you also need to change them to German for a course or industry? Why not keep those words in English?
    - Tainnor 3y ago
      I don't think you understand how languages work. Nobody sat down and "decided" to use German words instead of English ones (maybe that's what happened with the Académie Française, but that's a different topic). Those German terms have been in use for decades. Are you going to force UK speakers to say truck, fall and cookie, too?
      - Rinzler89 3y ago
        >I don't think you understand how languages work. I'm not talking about languages, I'm talking about the specific words of IT jargon which all originate from English. >Are you going to force UK speakers to say truck, fall and cookie, too? No, because those words are not universally used technical IT words bound together by a common language. With your logic then every country should translate the mnemonics of the programing languages from English to their local languages too, no? So the "while()" loop will be "während()" in German version of C and "pendant()" in French version of C.
        Tainnor 3y ago
        > I'm not talking about languages, I'm talking about the specific words of IT jargon which all originate from English. "I'm not talking about languages, I'm talking about words" ...? What do you think words are a part of > With your logic then every country should translate the mnemonics of the programing languages from English to their local languages too, no? Programming languages are not natural languages. The comparison doesn't make sense.
      - LAC-Tech 3y ago
        Devils advocate, but I code using US spelling for variable names, and avoid using Imperial terms to US English speakers because if they can't wrap their minds around me being in the southern hemisphere and my summer being their winter, they won't be able to cope with "capsicum".
      - miki123211 3y ago
        > Are you going to force UK speakers to say truck, fall and cookie, too? No, but it's pretty typical to see Brits talk about datacenters, computer programs and sometimes even catalogs, as opposed to datacentres, computer programmes and catalogues.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  What confusion? There are now multiple generations who have learned those terms, somehow nobody ever seems to have a problem with them.
  - Rinzler89 3y ago
    What about the generation learning it now from scratch?
interloxia 3y ago
KI is used by the media, including by a kids focused radio station, Toggo Radio, that my kids love. They have well written news segments where it comes up relatively frequently at the moment. I don't have cause to talk much about AI to my kids yet so time will tell which terminology they adopt.

Rinzler89 3y ago

>It's not conservative to have your own culture and history. Relax, nobody's saying to take your beer and Lederhosen away, but why force your own translations to established industry technical words onto students? It just creates confusion and hampers further self learning and cooperation as the lingua franca of IT is Englisch anyway.

flohofwoe 3y ago
TBH, if a student lacks the brain capacity to translate German technical terms to English in a course that's held in German language then I would question the fitness of said student for a technical job in general.
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  It's not a job, it's a course. Not everyone attending such a course is fluent bilingual. But that's beside the point. The original point we if the vast majority of the technical IT jargon is English anyway why do you also need to change them to German for a course or industry? Why not keep those words in English?
  - Tainnor 3y ago
    I don't think you understand how languages work. Nobody sat down and "decided" to use German words instead of English ones (maybe that's what happened with the Académie Française, but that's a different topic). Those German terms have been in use for decades. Are you going to force UK speakers to say truck, fall and cookie, too?
    - Rinzler89 3y ago
      >I don't think you understand how languages work. I'm not talking about languages, I'm talking about the specific words of IT jargon which all originate from English. >Are you going to force UK speakers to say truck, fall and cookie, too? No, because those words are not universally used technical IT words bound together by a common language. With your logic then every country should translate the mnemonics of the programing languages from English to their local languages too, no? So the "while()" loop will be "während()" in German version of C and "pendant()" in French version of C.
      - Tainnor 3y ago
        > I'm not talking about languages, I'm talking about the specific words of IT jargon which all originate from English. "I'm not talking about languages, I'm talking about words" ...? What do you think words are a part of > With your logic then every country should translate the mnemonics of the programing languages from English to their local languages too, no? Programming languages are not natural languages. The comparison doesn't make sense.
    - LAC-Tech 3y ago
      Devils advocate, but I code using US spelling for variable names, and avoid using Imperial terms to US English speakers because if they can't wrap their minds around me being in the southern hemisphere and my summer being their winter, they won't be able to cope with "capsicum".
    - miki123211 3y ago
      > Are you going to force UK speakers to say truck, fall and cookie, too? No, but it's pretty typical to see Brits talk about datacenters, computer programs and sometimes even catalogs, as opposed to datacentres, computer programmes and catalogues.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
What confusion? There are now multiple generations who have learned those terms, somehow nobody ever seems to have a problem with them.
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  What about the generation learning it now from scratch?

interloxia 3y ago

KI is used by the media, including by a kids focused radio station, Toggo Radio, that my kids love. They have well written news segments where it comes up relatively frequently at the moment. I don't have cause to talk much about AI to my kids yet so time will tell which terminology they adopt.