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Both sides have extremists who resort to terrorism, but ultimately, the Palestinians are still the victims, and the Israelis do hold the power and therefore the

Both sides have extremists who resort to terrorism, but ultimately, the Palestinians are still the victims, and the Israelis do hold the power and therefore the responsibility to put an end to the conflict. There is sort of this weird cognitive dissonance that happens in the brains of first worlders. When they see a rich developed country oppressing a poorer powerless people. They recognize the wrong, but they sort of accept it as some sort of inevitability. When the poorer people then dare resort to violence, the first worlders are then suddenly aghast with horror. How much do you protest the settlements in the West Bank? How much did you protest the inhuman statelessness of the Palestinians? How much do you protest when every couple of days Palestinians are murdered with impunity by Israeli settlers? How much do you protest when the IDF decides to intern without any legal recourse anyone of Palestinian descent? How much do you protest when the Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons are tortured and raped, and even beaten to death? How much do you protest when the IDF targets Palestinian journalists in Gaza on purpose to hide their war crimes? They also bomb their families too. How much do you protest when the IDF targets medical infrastructure in Gaza? How much do you protest when Israeli IDF snipers murder civilians at random for sport, including journalists, (foreign) peace activists, Christians, medical personnel and children?

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
The Israeli come from a long history of millennia of persecution for their faith. That past violence and the fact that they are excellent storytellers and record keeper of thir faith makes this situation special Israelis might hold the power now but as far as Arabs vs. Jews is concerned the Jews suffered a whole lot more (or at least they have been able to convey their suffering and make people empathize a whole lot more)
- goethes_kind 3y ago
  Crafting the story as "Arabs v. Jews" or "Muslims v. Jews" is a propaganda narrative. It's Palestinians vs far-right Israelis. There are people of all faiths and ethnicities on both sides. What the Arabs (not the Palestinians) did wrong, which hurt the Palestinian cause immensely was to expel the Mizrahim after the Nakba. Might have felt like pay back at the time, but it cemented the current geopolitical situation. But in any case the way forward is deradicalize both peoples and guarantee protections for both.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    Even the super civil and Western like UAE only normalized relationships with Israel after the Trump administration made it a priority Not every Arab in the region is going to grab an AK and march on Tel Aviv but if your message implies that the 500M strong Arab population in the region have come to like or even hold a neutral stance as it relates to Israel that's wrong. Very wrong. Think about how Russia is perceived in Europe now, except constantly for 50+ years, during skermishes and wars they are perceived the way Ukranians percieve Russians now. When there is background hatred noise it's only a matter of time until it explodes
    - candiodari 3y ago
      The only thing muslims hold against Jews is that they succesfully defend themselves. Kurds are being massacred, no one cares, least of all muslims. Armenians were being subjected to an Azerbeijani genocide, a month before this conflict started. No muslim cares. In Yemen, Sunni and Shi'a are committing genocide on eachother ... for decades now. Aside from an obvious disastrous failure by Saudi Arabia, no-one is doing anything. In Sudan, somewhat black muslims are killing somewhat more black muslims, because of skin color. No one cares. EACH of the named conflicts has at minimum double the number of victims of the Gaza conflict. Sudan at least 10x more. Yemen, as well, is far worse than the Gaza conflict. The problem in the middle east ... is not hatred against Jews. Sorry. It isn't. Given what muslims in the middle east call peace, then I'm sorry to say but peace is worse than war. Much, much worse.
      - meta_pass 3y ago
        It's wrong to say that no one cares. Many, many Muslims have spoken out, and there are many humanitarian efforts being run. The fact of the matter is that the middle east is still in the shadow of colonialism post WWI. Every time there is an effort to unite, there is immediate intervention by the west, in order to preserve their interests. We saw what happened in Egypt for example when Mursi was elected. It is in the vested interest of the west for conflict to continue in the ME. joe biden is on record for saying that if there was no israel, they would have to create one.
ericfrazier 3y ago
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JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

The Israeli come from a long history of millennia of persecution for their faith. That past violence and the fact that they are excellent storytellers and record keeper of thir faith makes this situation special Israelis might hold the power now but as far as Arabs vs. Jews is concerned the Jews suffered a whole lot more (or at least they have been able to convey their suffering and make people empathize a whole lot more)

goethes_kind 3y ago
Crafting the story as "Arabs v. Jews" or "Muslims v. Jews" is a propaganda narrative. It's Palestinians vs far-right Israelis. There are people of all faiths and ethnicities on both sides. What the Arabs (not the Palestinians) did wrong, which hurt the Palestinian cause immensely was to expel the Mizrahim after the Nakba. Might have felt like pay back at the time, but it cemented the current geopolitical situation. But in any case the way forward is deradicalize both peoples and guarantee protections for both.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  Even the super civil and Western like UAE only normalized relationships with Israel after the Trump administration made it a priority Not every Arab in the region is going to grab an AK and march on Tel Aviv but if your message implies that the 500M strong Arab population in the region have come to like or even hold a neutral stance as it relates to Israel that's wrong. Very wrong. Think about how Russia is perceived in Europe now, except constantly for 50+ years, during skermishes and wars they are perceived the way Ukranians percieve Russians now. When there is background hatred noise it's only a matter of time until it explodes
  - candiodari 3y ago
    The only thing muslims hold against Jews is that they succesfully defend themselves. Kurds are being massacred, no one cares, least of all muslims. Armenians were being subjected to an Azerbeijani genocide, a month before this conflict started. No muslim cares. In Yemen, Sunni and Shi'a are committing genocide on eachother ... for decades now. Aside from an obvious disastrous failure by Saudi Arabia, no-one is doing anything. In Sudan, somewhat black muslims are killing somewhat more black muslims, because of skin color. No one cares. EACH of the named conflicts has at minimum double the number of victims of the Gaza conflict. Sudan at least 10x more. Yemen, as well, is far worse than the Gaza conflict. The problem in the middle east ... is not hatred against Jews. Sorry. It isn't. Given what muslims in the middle east call peace, then I'm sorry to say but peace is worse than war. Much, much worse.
    - meta_pass 3y ago
      It's wrong to say that no one cares. Many, many Muslims have spoken out, and there are many humanitarian efforts being run. The fact of the matter is that the middle east is still in the shadow of colonialism post WWI. Every time there is an effort to unite, there is immediate intervention by the west, in order to preserve their interests. We saw what happened in Egypt for example when Mursi was elected. It is in the vested interest of the west for conflict to continue in the ME. joe biden is on record for saying that if there was no israel, they would have to create one.

ericfrazier 3y ago

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