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1.4K boys, girls, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents were tortured, raped, and murdered on October 7th. It will take decades to recover.

by tzury 3y ago

meta_pass 3y ago
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dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago
How long will it take to recover from the 30,000+ boys, girls, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents killed and maimed in Gaza? Israel's response to the brutal atrocities of Hamas has been to create even larger ones. Where does this all end?
- Protostome 3y ago
  If Israel could have removed all Hamas presence from Gaza without harming a fly, it would have done so already. Ask Hamas if they would be willing to co exist with jews, on this same piece of tiny land you'll get your answer. They state their intention in their covenant, plain and simple: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)"
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goethes_kind 3y ago
Both sides have extremists who resort to terrorism, but ultimately, the Palestinians are still the victims, and the Israelis do hold the power and therefore the responsibility to put an end to the conflict. There is sort of this weird cognitive dissonance that happens in the brains of first worlders. When they see a rich developed country oppressing a poorer powerless people. They recognize the wrong, but they sort of accept it as some sort of inevitability. When the poorer people then dare resort to violence, the first worlders are then suddenly aghast with horror. How much do you protest the settlements in the West Bank? How much did you protest the inhuman statelessness of the Palestinians? How much do you protest when every couple of days Palestinians are murdered with impunity by Israeli settlers? How much do you protest when the IDF decides to intern without any legal recourse anyone of Palestinian descent? How much do you protest when the Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons are tortured and raped, and even beaten to death? How much do you protest when the IDF targets Palestinian journalists in Gaza on purpose to hide their war crimes? They also bomb their families too. How much do you protest when the IDF targets medical infrastructure in Gaza? How much do you protest when Israeli IDF snipers murder civilians at random for sport, including journalists, (foreign) peace activists, Christians, medical personnel and children?
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  The Israeli come from a long history of millennia of persecution for their faith. That past violence and the fact that they are excellent storytellers and record keeper of thir faith makes this situation special Israelis might hold the power now but as far as Arabs vs. Jews is concerned the Jews suffered a whole lot more (or at least they have been able to convey their suffering and make people empathize a whole lot more)
  - goethes_kind 3y ago
    Crafting the story as "Arabs v. Jews" or "Muslims v. Jews" is a propaganda narrative. It's Palestinians vs far-right Israelis. There are people of all faiths and ethnicities on both sides. What the Arabs (not the Palestinians) did wrong, which hurt the Palestinian cause immensely was to expel the Mizrahim after the Nakba. Might have felt like pay back at the time, but it cemented the current geopolitical situation. But in any case the way forward is deradicalize both peoples and guarantee protections for both.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      Even the super civil and Western like UAE only normalized relationships with Israel after the Trump administration made it a priority Not every Arab in the region is going to grab an AK and march on Tel Aviv but if your message implies that the 500M strong Arab population in the region have come to like or even hold a neutral stance as it relates to Israel that's wrong. Very wrong. Think about how Russia is perceived in Europe now, except constantly for 50+ years, during skermishes and wars they are perceived the way Ukranians percieve Russians now. When there is background hatred noise it's only a matter of time until it explodes
      - candiodari 3y ago
        The only thing muslims hold against Jews is that they succesfully defend themselves. Kurds are being massacred, no one cares, least of all muslims. Armenians were being subjected to an Azerbeijani genocide, a month before this conflict started. No muslim cares. In Yemen, Sunni and Shi'a are committing genocide on eachother ... for decades now. Aside from an obvious disastrous failure by Saudi Arabia, no-one is doing anything. In Sudan, somewhat black muslims are killing somewhat more black muslims, because of skin color. No one cares. EACH of the named conflicts has at minimum double the number of victims of the Gaza conflict. Sudan at least 10x more. Yemen, as well, is far worse than the Gaza conflict. The problem in the middle east ... is not hatred against Jews. Sorry. It isn't. Given what muslims in the middle east call peace, then I'm sorry to say but peace is worse than war. Much, much worse.
Qem 3y ago
https://www.oct7factcheck.com/index https://www.oct7factcheck.com/index
throwawaymsdidf 3y ago
If we're going to start going down the adolescent blame game, what was happening until October 6? How many pre-teens were in Israeli jails getting tortured, raped, etc? We all saw how the hostages - sorry prisoners - released by Israel walked [1]. How are illegal settlements built? With a friendly smile and cash payment, or with non-uniformed combatants with AR15 spraying bullets at fleeing homeowners? (For what it's worth, the guns makes settlers legitimate targets and the lack of uniform means they are not covered by the Geneva convention) Those of us fortunate enough to follow Hebrew media (as I have since I was a boy decades ago) saw how the hostages released by Hamas all claimed they were well treated and not raped until the narrative flipped. You know... memories. Oh, we have selective memory? Ok, well tens [2] of thousands of dead Palestinian kids and the largest genocide [3] in decades have erased the world's memory of Oct 7. [1] Turns out Israeli tortures kids in jail! But, we knew that. Every intl. law organization has thoroughly documented that for decades. Israeli media is great, btw; there's a recent Israeli documentary interviewing old IDF soldiers laughing at their past exploits raping pre-teens). Turns out the IDF has been using rape as a weapon since the 40s. [2] Actually probably a hundred thousand by now. The 30k are the recovered bodies, not the missing under the rubble. [3] Yes it is a genocide - all you need to do is go to Israeli hebrew language media and read, listen, see how Israelis, especially government ministers, are taking.
xchip 3y ago
You would be right if that had happened out of the blue but, Palestinians have been bullied and humiliated for decades and, at the same time Israel has been financing extremist movements in Gaza.
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meta_pass 3y ago
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1.4K boys, girls, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents were tortured, raped, and murdered on October 7th. It will take decades to recover.

by tzury 3y ago

1.4K boys, girls, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents were tortured, raped, and murdered on October 7th. It will take decades to recover.

meta_pass 3y ago

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dkjaudyeqooe 3y ago

How long will it take to recover from the 30,000+ boys, girls, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, grandparents killed and maimed in Gaza? Israel's response to the brutal atrocities of Hamas has been to create even larger ones. Where does this all end?

Protostome 3y ago
If Israel could have removed all Hamas presence from Gaza without harming a fly, it would have done so already. Ask Hamas if they would be willing to co exist with jews, on this same piece of tiny land you'll get your answer. They state their intention in their covenant, plain and simple: "The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)"
- meta_pass 3y ago
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goethes_kind 3y ago

Both sides have extremists who resort to terrorism, but ultimately, the Palestinians are still the victims, and the Israelis do hold the power and therefore the responsibility to put an end to the conflict. There is sort of this weird cognitive dissonance that happens in the brains of first worlders. When they see a rich developed country oppressing a poorer powerless people. They recognize the wrong, but they sort of accept it as some sort of inevitability. When the poorer people then dare resort to violence, the first worlders are then suddenly aghast with horror. How much do you protest the settlements in the West Bank? How much did you protest the inhuman statelessness of the Palestinians? How much do you protest when every couple of days Palestinians are murdered with impunity by Israeli settlers? How much do you protest when the IDF decides to intern without any legal recourse anyone of Palestinian descent? How much do you protest when the Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons are tortured and raped, and even beaten to death? How much do you protest when the IDF targets Palestinian journalists in Gaza on purpose to hide their war crimes? They also bomb their families too. How much do you protest when the IDF targets medical infrastructure in Gaza? How much do you protest when Israeli IDF snipers murder civilians at random for sport, including journalists, (foreign) peace activists, Christians, medical personnel and children?

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
The Israeli come from a long history of millennia of persecution for their faith. That past violence and the fact that they are excellent storytellers and record keeper of thir faith makes this situation special Israelis might hold the power now but as far as Arabs vs. Jews is concerned the Jews suffered a whole lot more (or at least they have been able to convey their suffering and make people empathize a whole lot more)
- goethes_kind 3y ago
  Crafting the story as "Arabs v. Jews" or "Muslims v. Jews" is a propaganda narrative. It's Palestinians vs far-right Israelis. There are people of all faiths and ethnicities on both sides. What the Arabs (not the Palestinians) did wrong, which hurt the Palestinian cause immensely was to expel the Mizrahim after the Nakba. Might have felt like pay back at the time, but it cemented the current geopolitical situation. But in any case the way forward is deradicalize both peoples and guarantee protections for both.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    Even the super civil and Western like UAE only normalized relationships with Israel after the Trump administration made it a priority Not every Arab in the region is going to grab an AK and march on Tel Aviv but if your message implies that the 500M strong Arab population in the region have come to like or even hold a neutral stance as it relates to Israel that's wrong. Very wrong. Think about how Russia is perceived in Europe now, except constantly for 50+ years, during skermishes and wars they are perceived the way Ukranians percieve Russians now. When there is background hatred noise it's only a matter of time until it explodes
    - candiodari 3y ago
      The only thing muslims hold against Jews is that they succesfully defend themselves. Kurds are being massacred, no one cares, least of all muslims. Armenians were being subjected to an Azerbeijani genocide, a month before this conflict started. No muslim cares. In Yemen, Sunni and Shi'a are committing genocide on eachother ... for decades now. Aside from an obvious disastrous failure by Saudi Arabia, no-one is doing anything. In Sudan, somewhat black muslims are killing somewhat more black muslims, because of skin color. No one cares. EACH of the named conflicts has at minimum double the number of victims of the Gaza conflict. Sudan at least 10x more. Yemen, as well, is far worse than the Gaza conflict. The problem in the middle east ... is not hatred against Jews. Sorry. It isn't. Given what muslims in the middle east call peace, then I'm sorry to say but peace is worse than war. Much, much worse.

Qem 3y ago

https://www.oct7factcheck.com/index https://www.oct7factcheck.com/index

throwawaymsdidf 3y ago

If we're going to start going down the adolescent blame game, what was happening until October 6? How many pre-teens were in Israeli jails getting tortured, raped, etc? We all saw how the hostages - sorry prisoners - released by Israel walked [1]. How are illegal settlements built? With a friendly smile and cash payment, or with non-uniformed combatants with AR15 spraying bullets at fleeing homeowners? (For what it's worth, the guns makes settlers legitimate targets and the lack of uniform means they are not covered by the Geneva convention) Those of us fortunate enough to follow Hebrew media (as I have since I was a boy decades ago) saw how the hostages released by Hamas all claimed they were well treated and not raped until the narrative flipped. You know... memories. Oh, we have selective memory? Ok, well tens [2] of thousands of dead Palestinian kids and the largest genocide [3] in decades have erased the world's memory of Oct 7. [1] Turns out Israeli tortures kids in jail! But, we knew that. Every intl. law organization has thoroughly documented that for decades. Israeli media is great, btw; there's a recent Israeli documentary interviewing old IDF soldiers laughing at their past exploits raping pre-teens). Turns out the IDF has been using rape as a weapon since the 40s. [2] Actually probably a hundred thousand by now. The 30k are the recovered bodies, not the missing under the rubble. [3] Yes it is a genocide - all you need to do is go to Israeli hebrew language media and read, listen, see how Israelis, especially government ministers, are taking.

xchip 3y ago

You would be right if that had happened out of the blue but, Palestinians have been bullied and humiliated for decades and, at the same time Israel has been financing extremist movements in Gaza.

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meta_pass 3y ago

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