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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims If you've ever observed girl gamers (such as a little sister) at the turn of this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sims If you've ever observed girl gamers (such as a little sister) at the turn of this century - such virtual torments and genocide of AI has been going on for a long time already. The horror!

ceejayoz 3y ago
The people making The Sims weren’t targeting AGI as their eventual goal, though. It’s somewhat like the difference between a kid squishing an ant and a kid squishing a puppy. One is fairly harmless; the other is serial killer shit.
- latexr 3y ago
  > the difference between a kid squishing an ant and a kid squishing a puppy In western society we generally find it acceptable to kill ants and chickens and cows, but not cats or dogs or horses. But some people have ants as pets, and in some countries you eat horses or dogs while in others cows are safe from consumption. Who defines the line between where sniffing a life is “harmless” or “serial killer shit”?
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    As with obscenity, harassment, etc., there are many things that are “I know it when I see it” in society.
  - thret 3y ago
    Killing doesn't violate a law of nature, it violates the social contract. So while the line is drawn differently in each society, crossing it is the same indicator.
- moffkalast 3y ago
  This is like squashing ants and then the ants form a borg collective and turn you into larva food.
- verticalscaler 3y ago
  How many hail merry's should I say for eventually neglecting my Tamagotchi in the third grade father?
- wruza 3y ago
  Which is which, btw?
ganzuul 3y ago
Not sure what you are trying to say. No need for ethics in AI?
- verticalscaler 3y ago
  Of course. Otherwise how are the unenlightened masses to discern such valid concerns from run of the mill Pareidolia. Are The Sims being mistreated? A metaphysical question for experts only. But I do insist the self appointed AI ethicists priestly class has appropriately glamorous clothes as a requirement.
  - ganzuul 3y ago
    Sorry I can't extract any actionable information from sarcasm this thick. If you have something you want to say you are going to have to dumb it down for me. I do agree that we should dress the part though.
    - verticalscaler 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia Pareidolia is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one detects an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none. If you poke an LLM with a stick, a bunch of viral videos on YouTube claiming it is sentient fall out, as you've observed. The creators of those videos operate under the ethical framework of "clickbait". A more sophisticated opportunist might figure out they can exploit the above two things to start offering indulgences to whomever is willing to pay. This seems like an ethical problem in and of itself. Since you were curios about the ethical framework that the project operates within you might also concern yourself with that.
      - ganzuul 3y ago
        So you mean that the AI ethics debate is in danger of being captured by charlatans... I don't have an answer for this very legitimate concern. I agree it's an example of a wider category of problems. I hope the most recalcitrant audiences will take the matter seriously before we get to a situation where they need to deal with RoboCop in person.

ceejayoz 3y ago

The people making The Sims weren’t targeting AGI as their eventual goal, though. It’s somewhat like the difference between a kid squishing an ant and a kid squishing a puppy. One is fairly harmless; the other is serial killer shit.

latexr 3y ago
> the difference between a kid squishing an ant and a kid squishing a puppy In western society we generally find it acceptable to kill ants and chickens and cows, but not cats or dogs or horses. But some people have ants as pets, and in some countries you eat horses or dogs while in others cows are safe from consumption. Who defines the line between where sniffing a life is “harmless” or “serial killer shit”?
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  As with obscenity, harassment, etc., there are many things that are “I know it when I see it” in society.
- thret 3y ago
  Killing doesn't violate a law of nature, it violates the social contract. So while the line is drawn differently in each society, crossing it is the same indicator.
moffkalast 3y ago
This is like squashing ants and then the ants form a borg collective and turn you into larva food.
verticalscaler 3y ago
How many hail merry's should I say for eventually neglecting my Tamagotchi in the third grade father?
wruza 3y ago
Which is which, btw?

ganzuul 3y ago

Not sure what you are trying to say. No need for ethics in AI?

verticalscaler 3y ago
Of course. Otherwise how are the unenlightened masses to discern such valid concerns from run of the mill Pareidolia. Are The Sims being mistreated? A metaphysical question for experts only. But I do insist the self appointed AI ethicists priestly class has appropriately glamorous clothes as a requirement.
- ganzuul 3y ago
  Sorry I can't extract any actionable information from sarcasm this thick. If you have something you want to say you are going to have to dumb it down for me. I do agree that we should dress the part though.
  - verticalscaler 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia Pareidolia is the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one detects an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none. If you poke an LLM with a stick, a bunch of viral videos on YouTube claiming it is sentient fall out, as you've observed. The creators of those videos operate under the ethical framework of "clickbait". A more sophisticated opportunist might figure out they can exploit the above two things to start offering indulgences to whomever is willing to pay. This seems like an ethical problem in and of itself. Since you were curios about the ethical framework that the project operates within you might also concern yourself with that.
    - ganzuul 3y ago
      So you mean that the AI ethics debate is in danger of being captured by charlatans... I don't have an answer for this very legitimate concern. I agree it's an example of a wider category of problems. I hope the most recalcitrant audiences will take the matter seriously before we get to a situation where they need to deal with RoboCop in person.