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It's easy for you to say that this is foolish, but in the end much less tragedies occur, My issue with this is that it abstracts 'gun' into 'non-lethel tool'.

by bdunbar 14y ago

It's easy for you to say that this is foolish, but in the end much less tragedies occur, My issue with this is that it abstracts 'gun' into 'non-lethel tool'. Culture and law aside, a gun exists for one thing, and it's only good for one thing, and that is to kill a person. Your laws can say otherwise, but that law is an ass. But hey - your country, your rules.

DominikR 14y ago
I'm not saying that guns are strictly non lethal tools, but there are different uses besides killing people. You could shoot the tires of a fleeing car, or you could stop a person by shooting into his leg. (a civilian probably wont be able to pull this off successfully in stressful situations) Or use it for sport or hunting. It does depend on a countries situation and culture, how excessively such weapons are used, and in which situations. When a countries population on average tends to not escalate situations, and shoot burglars or people running away, you can end up in a situation where it is hardly justifiable to use such weapons against persons. And then such laws are okay. I mean there are criminals here like everywhere, but I honestly don't know anyone personally here that has ever been threatened with a gun or a knife, though I know of one case, where someone was beat up by a burglar. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't see a lot of use for a gun as a tool for protection if you lived here.
- bdunbar 14y ago
  I'm not saying that guns are strictly non lethal tools, but there are different uses besides killing people. Good point. You can kill animals for food, and I myself have enjoyed punching holes in paper. But this ... You could shoot the tires of a fleeing car, or you could stop a person by shooting into his leg. No, no, no. Shooting at a moving target is real hard. Shooting at a tire is stupid - the bullet is going to hit the rim, and be flung into who knows what direction. You're not getting this: if you shoot a bullet into a person, anywhere, you run the risk of killing him, or at the least crippling him for life. A shoot into the knee is a life-changing crippling event. Tear into the femoral artery and your target is going to be dead in just a few minutes. a civilian probably wont be able to pull this off successfully in stressful situations I think you are imagining the cops have a lot more juju with firearms than they do. To attain the kind of skill you are a talking about - reliably hitting a guy in the legs - takes way more range time than is going to be practical.

by bdunbar 14y ago

DominikR 14y ago

I'm not saying that guns are strictly non lethal tools, but there are different uses besides killing people. You could shoot the tires of a fleeing car, or you could stop a person by shooting into his leg. (a civilian probably wont be able to pull this off successfully in stressful situations) Or use it for sport or hunting. It does depend on a countries situation and culture, how excessively such weapons are used, and in which situations. When a countries population on average tends to not escalate situations, and shoot burglars or people running away, you can end up in a situation where it is hardly justifiable to use such weapons against persons. And then such laws are okay. I mean there are criminals here like everywhere, but I honestly don't know anyone personally here that has ever been threatened with a gun or a knife, though I know of one case, where someone was beat up by a burglar. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't see a lot of use for a gun as a tool for protection if you lived here.

bdunbar 14y ago
I'm not saying that guns are strictly non lethal tools, but there are different uses besides killing people. Good point. You can kill animals for food, and I myself have enjoyed punching holes in paper. But this ... You could shoot the tires of a fleeing car, or you could stop a person by shooting into his leg. No, no, no. Shooting at a moving target is real hard. Shooting at a tire is stupid - the bullet is going to hit the rim, and be flung into who knows what direction. You're not getting this: if you shoot a bullet into a person, anywhere, you run the risk of killing him, or at the least crippling him for life. A shoot into the knee is a life-changing crippling event. Tear into the femoral artery and your target is going to be dead in just a few minutes. a civilian probably wont be able to pull this off successfully in stressful situations I think you are imagining the cops have a lot more juju with firearms than they do. To attain the kind of skill you are a talking about - reliably hitting a guy in the legs - takes way more range time than is going to be practical.