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That's a pretty negative perspective. 87% of electricity in NZ is from renewable sources. NZ is a world leader, and should be lauded. What is the basis for you

by zizee 3y ago

That's a pretty negative perspective. 87% of electricity in NZ is from renewable sources. NZ is a world leader, and should be lauded. What is the basis for your perspective that NZ is failing to "make it work"? NZ is so far ahead of Germany it's not funny (Austria is similar to NZ with 87%). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_New_Zealand https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_New_Zeal... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

lostlogin 3y ago
> What is the basis for your perspective that NZ is failing to "make it work"? Regarding solar! Not about renewables as a whole. Any perception that NZ is green is primarily due to other factors than environmental concern. Hydro was a good choice and it’s green, not because of it being green. We burn coal to make milk powder and trash our rivers to fuel the dairy industry. Recycling efforts are abysmal and there is a regressive attitude to greening transport. The high level of green energy is great, I just grow frustrated at the lack of progress.
- ta1243 3y ago
  How would solar help with "milk powder"? Or recycling? Or transport?
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > How would solar help with "milk powder"? Or recycling? Or transport? Sorry, I might be missing your point here as you already know my answer - solar power is an energy source. Dehydrating milk by burning coal is a dirty option. Fonterra burns a lot. They don’t say how much but numbers up to 700k tons are claimed [1]. I’d love a better source, as real usage is likely lower. However they do use more than a decent sized power plant. An electrified rail network is basic infrastructure. We send everything by truck. It destroys the roads and the bridges. It clogs the cities as the ports are located poorly for road access (Auckland and Tauranga). We depend on a few ships to connect the North and South Island. Electric ships have been considered but we have made zero actual progress replacing our aging and decaying ships. Encouraging the use of electric transport seems an obvious thing when we are a heavily hydro country. We may be losing Rio Tinto, who use a huge percentage of our power. We could use this energy for transport. Instead we are upping taxes on electric cars and dropping taxes on large, fuel inefficient utes/suv/trucks (not sure what everyone calls them). We could do a lot better with what we have. [1] https://coal.org.nz/economy-coal/ https://coal.org.nz/economy-coal/

by zizee 3y ago

lostlogin 3y ago

> What is the basis for your perspective that NZ is failing to "make it work"? Regarding solar! Not about renewables as a whole. Any perception that NZ is green is primarily due to other factors than environmental concern. Hydro was a good choice and it’s green, not because of it being green. We burn coal to make milk powder and trash our rivers to fuel the dairy industry. Recycling efforts are abysmal and there is a regressive attitude to greening transport. The high level of green energy is great, I just grow frustrated at the lack of progress.

ta1243 3y ago
How would solar help with "milk powder"? Or recycling? Or transport?
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > How would solar help with "milk powder"? Or recycling? Or transport? Sorry, I might be missing your point here as you already know my answer - solar power is an energy source. Dehydrating milk by burning coal is a dirty option. Fonterra burns a lot. They don’t say how much but numbers up to 700k tons are claimed [1]. I’d love a better source, as real usage is likely lower. However they do use more than a decent sized power plant. An electrified rail network is basic infrastructure. We send everything by truck. It destroys the roads and the bridges. It clogs the cities as the ports are located poorly for road access (Auckland and Tauranga). We depend on a few ships to connect the North and South Island. Electric ships have been considered but we have made zero actual progress replacing our aging and decaying ships. Encouraging the use of electric transport seems an obvious thing when we are a heavily hydro country. We may be losing Rio Tinto, who use a huge percentage of our power. We could use this energy for transport. Instead we are upping taxes on electric cars and dropping taxes on large, fuel inefficient utes/suv/trucks (not sure what everyone calls them). We could do a lot better with what we have. [1] https://coal.org.nz/economy-coal/ https://coal.org.nz/economy-coal/