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I think this is all a way of saying The Netherlands land is at a premium. Views and noise pollution are valued higher than cheaper electricity. The United Sta
by gamepsys 3y ago
I think this is all a way of saying The Netherlands land is at a premium. Views and noise pollution are valued higher than cheaper electricity. The United States has over 200 times more land than The Netherlands, and only 20 times the population. The US has plenty of windy places with adequate infrastructure where selling electricity is valued higher than view/noise because no one lives within 30km of the windmill.
- andsoitis 3y ago> Views and noise pollution are valued higher than cheaper electricity. Nothing like walking on the beach to relax and seeing wind farms or oil rigs off the coast.
- mechagodzilla 3y agoI love walking on the beach, and I can’t imagine seeing a tiny structure miles off in the distance somehow detracting from the experience.
- andsoitis 3y agoI’m thinking the sight of this (oil rigs off the Huntington Beach coast): https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/californias-oil-spill-and-challenges-regulating-shore-drilling https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/californias-oil-spi...
- dukeyukey 3y agoI loved for years on the coast with wind farms in the distance, I quite liked it. Like living in a solar punk town.
- exodust 3y agoInteresting the official Ørsted promo video about South Fork Wind is 3 minutes long, and contains no more than 8 seconds of footage showing the actual turbines. 8 seconds! Don't blink. The main focus is slow-motion shots of smiling people and kids. They really don't want any focus on how they look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5R_5Tzd5wQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5R_5Tzd5wQ
- p_l 3y agoMaybe the advertising company believed vibes were more important, or maybe they had focus group claim so, or figured you needed lots of smiley vibes to deal with local population being NIMBY about possibility of barely seeing a wind farm from the famous beach resort New York /s Or maybe the advertising was just crap which is why American investments failure hangs over recent firings.
- saagarjha 3y agoI went to college on a beach town. The oil rigs in the distance was a fixture of the landscape and generally referred to positively (even by those who were no fan of the oil and gas industry.) I can only assume wind farms would be even cooler!
- usrusr 3y agoOr ships passing by on the horizon, or aircraft painting contrails in the sky. Really terrible to have a sight line to evidence of human existence. And all those fields, vineyards, orchards and meadows humans have created in place of native forests! Unbearable!
- andsoitis 3y agoI’m thinking the sight of this (oil rigs off the Huntington Beach coast): https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/californias-oil-spill-and-challenges-regulating-shore-drilling https://sustainability.stanford.edu/news/californias-oil-spi...
- CPLX 3y agoSeems ironic that the last generation of windmills is an iconic image of the country.
- dmix 3y ago> I think this is all a way of saying The Netherlands land is at a premium. Artificially at a premium because of local government (and by proxy their upper midde backers). Or basically always why houses are expensive absent major population booms or extreme land shortages. So basically we can just call it "land is a premium" because people don't seem to care these days even though hypothetically people knocking on your door offering millions is very persuasive even to NIMBYs but that option is so out of reach for developers they don't even try to rally support (unless it's a mega project with people richer than the local powerbrokers).
- gamepsys 3y agoThe land is expensive. The people that own the land have capital. The people that own the land leverage their position of authority to influence local regulations. This is all just part of the premium.
- sofixa 3y agoI mean, if there are countries where one can legitimately say land is scarce, Netherlands is definitely one of them. Compare maps of the Netherlands today with 100 years ago and you can see they've done tons of land reclamation and draining projects. And it wasn't for fun, it was because they needed the land for agriculture and human settlement.
- Vinnl 3y agoAnd population density is way higher than most places in the US.
- looofooo0 3y agoSo they use less Land for housing!
- Vinnl 3y agoHaha, per person, yes, but even then I'm fairly sure that a way larger percentage of land is used for housing than it is in most areas in the US. As in, you really can't travel in a straight line for very long without encountering man-made structures anywhere in the Netherlands.