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Based on how he was acting during trial, I assume he still thinks he's somehow getting out of this.

bhouston 3y ago
I am so confused by his weird persona. Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart, but doesn't that generally mean an acceptance of reality? He seems so disconnected from reality most of the time, like he is mentally ill almost.
- highwayman47 3y ago
  That’s his act, so he doesn’t have to serve a full sentence.
- p1mrx 3y ago
  "I reject your reality and substitute my own." I think you have to be smart to become truly nuts.
- Waterluvian 3y ago
  > Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart I think we want this to be true. We want a meritocracy based on intelligence. But I’m very skeptical it’s true. I think he could be a total moron combined with some money, some connections, luck, and the lack of the things that hold many of us back such as self doubt, fear, morals and ethics, and obeyance to the law.
  - AznHisoka 3y ago
    Yeah, I think I agree. Many many examples of people who made it or almost made it, without being smart or lucky (WeWork CEO) or in the right place at the right time or able to deceive people (ie Elizabeth Holmes)
  - sidewndr46 3y ago
    This is much closer to reality.
  - danielscrubs 3y ago
    In my two decades of working Ive only seen people get rich by two things: risk taking and connections. These are real friends and not some media piece. Risk taking can be bitcoin, deception or leveraged property ownership. Without morals and self doubt you get a way bigger field in the risk taking arena. Rarely have I seen knowledge as a main factor, because renting knowledge-workers is easy and cheap.
  - throw18376 3y ago
    you can't make it through an MIT physics degree while being a total moron. Same with the Jane Street interview process. he was at least a smart guy and probably a good trader. now in some sense you can still be very smart but "a total moron" meaning you make stupid and bad decisions and ruin your life and cause all kinds of disasters. my read on him is he was sharp, and able to succeed for a while as long as someone else put up guardrails that would compensate for his terrible judgment and executive functioning -- which you get in school or working for a large firm. when he struck out on his own, he lost all that, but his reputation + connections + stupid risk appetite took him far until he blew up.
    - JetSpiegel 3y ago
      > you can't make it through an MIT physics degree while being a total moron Isn't he a legacy admission (different Ivy League, but the moral equivalent)? Which assistant professor will flunk the son of two tenured professors?
- lancesells 3y ago
  I think that he's just more criminally minded than most. This wasn't an overnight thing and he seemed to do quite a bit of press, lying through his teeth the whole time. Also, he doesn't read books.
sidewndr46 3y ago
Based on the letter's they've sent his parents also think he is going to walk away from this

I am so confused by his weird persona. Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart, but doesn't that generally mean an acceptance of reality? He seems so disconnected from reality most of the time, like he is mentally ill almost.

highwayman47 3y ago
That’s his act, so he doesn’t have to serve a full sentence.
p1mrx 3y ago
"I reject your reality and substitute my own." I think you have to be smart to become truly nuts.
Waterluvian 3y ago
> Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart I think we want this to be true. We want a meritocracy based on intelligence. But I’m very skeptical it’s true. I think he could be a total moron combined with some money, some connections, luck, and the lack of the things that hold many of us back such as self doubt, fear, morals and ethics, and obeyance to the law.
- AznHisoka 3y ago
  Yeah, I think I agree. Many many examples of people who made it or almost made it, without being smart or lucky (WeWork CEO) or in the right place at the right time or able to deceive people (ie Elizabeth Holmes)
- sidewndr46 3y ago
  This is much closer to reality.
- danielscrubs 3y ago
  In my two decades of working Ive only seen people get rich by two things: risk taking and connections. These are real friends and not some media piece. Risk taking can be bitcoin, deception or leveraged property ownership. Without morals and self doubt you get a way bigger field in the risk taking arena. Rarely have I seen knowledge as a main factor, because renting knowledge-workers is easy and cheap.
- throw18376 3y ago
  you can't make it through an MIT physics degree while being a total moron. Same with the Jane Street interview process. he was at least a smart guy and probably a good trader. now in some sense you can still be very smart but "a total moron" meaning you make stupid and bad decisions and ruin your life and cause all kinds of disasters. my read on him is he was sharp, and able to succeed for a while as long as someone else put up guardrails that would compensate for his terrible judgment and executive functioning -- which you get in school or working for a large firm. when he struck out on his own, he lost all that, but his reputation + connections + stupid risk appetite took him far until he blew up.
  - JetSpiegel 3y ago
    > you can't make it through an MIT physics degree while being a total moron Isn't he a legacy admission (different Ivy League, but the moral equivalent)? Which assistant professor will flunk the son of two tenured professors?
lancesells 3y ago
I think that he's just more criminally minded than most. This wasn't an overnight thing and he seemed to do quite a bit of press, lying through his teeth the whole time. Also, he doesn't read books.

sidewndr46 3y ago

Based on the letter's they've sent his parents also think he is going to walk away from this