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That one's silly too. Unless someone is so damaged they're not capable of ever not harming others, (think psychopathic murderers) what's the point of sentences

That one's silly too. Unless someone is so damaged they're not capable of ever not harming others, (think psychopathic murderers) what's the point of sentences that long? Anything past 15 years or so effectively destroys their existing lives anyway. I think that crosses from punishment to unnecessary cruelty and stuffing prisons.

JojoFatsani 3y ago
If you destroy other people’s lives why should yours be intact?
- viraptor 3y ago
  How did you get from "15 years already destroys their current lives" to "intact"?
rKarpinski 3y ago
Yes prisons, notorious for being over populated with those who ruined the lives of hundreds of people through multi billion dollar financial crimes.
- woooooo 3y ago
  That's the point, uniquely unsympathetic people get sentences that are about making us feel good for handing them out. Add in Madoff's victims being rich and connected and you get 150 years.
  - gamblor956 3y ago
    Most of Madoff's victims were middle-class. Very few were rich. None were connected. He was still getting away with the scam for years after the allegations started spreading.
- viraptor 3y ago
  There are no prisons dedicated explicitly to those people, so I'm not sure what are you talking about here.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    They were being sarcastic. ;)
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> what's the point of sentences that long? Deterrence and retribution. On incapacitation, however, can you really not see Bankman-Fried leaving prison in his forties and doing anything but running out to raise new capital? His position throughout the trial seemed to genuinely convey that he didn’t think he did wrong.
- viraptor 3y ago
  > can you really not see Bankman-Fried leaving prison in his forties and doing anything but running out to raise new capital? Maybe. How about we try though and monitor his activity from time to time. There are other cases where person's ability to work with something is restricted for a limited time. Otherwise, you can apply "can you not see X leaving prison and doing what they were jailed for" to everyone forever. Over a decade in jail is a long time to change your views. There's that whole thing about rehabilitation as well as punishment in the idea of prisons.
gafferongames 3y ago
> what's the point of sentences that long? Because FUCK this guy.

JojoFatsani 3y ago

If you destroy other people’s lives why should yours be intact?

viraptor 3y ago
How did you get from "15 years already destroys their current lives" to "intact"?

rKarpinski 3y ago

Yes prisons, notorious for being over populated with those who ruined the lives of hundreds of people through multi billion dollar financial crimes.

woooooo 3y ago
That's the point, uniquely unsympathetic people get sentences that are about making us feel good for handing them out. Add in Madoff's victims being rich and connected and you get 150 years.
- gamblor956 3y ago
  Most of Madoff's victims were middle-class. Very few were rich. None were connected. He was still getting away with the scam for years after the allegations started spreading.
viraptor 3y ago
There are no prisons dedicated explicitly to those people, so I'm not sure what are you talking about here.
- justinclift 3y ago
  They were being sarcastic. ;)

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> what's the point of sentences that long? Deterrence and retribution. On incapacitation, however, can you really not see Bankman-Fried leaving prison in his forties and doing anything but running out to raise new capital? His position throughout the trial seemed to genuinely convey that he didn’t think he did wrong.

viraptor 3y ago
> can you really not see Bankman-Fried leaving prison in his forties and doing anything but running out to raise new capital? Maybe. How about we try though and monitor his activity from time to time. There are other cases where person's ability to work with something is restricted for a limited time. Otherwise, you can apply "can you not see X leaving prison and doing what they were jailed for" to everyone forever. Over a decade in jail is a long time to change your views. There's that whole thing about rehabilitation as well as punishment in the idea of prisons.

gafferongames 3y ago

> what's the point of sentences that long? Because FUCK this guy.