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Esims are a great idea, the problem wouldn't exist if there was a mandatory delay in migrating. Like 3 days from request to the card being generated, with daily

Esims are a great idea, the problem wouldn't exist if there was a mandatory delay in migrating. Like 3 days from request to the card being generated, with daily reminders that this is about to happen.

Terr_ 3y ago
How about this: Before enabling a replacement eSIM for a new phone, an SMS or two are sent to the old phone to notify and authorize the movement. 1. If the old phone SMSes back a confirmation, things proceed immediately. This makes upgrades, trade-ins, and certain replacements (where the old phone is somewhat functional) nice and fast. 2. If the old phone SMSes back a denial, disable everything temporarily and get customer-service into the loop. This is justified because it suggests either the online phone-account has been hacked or else the old phone has been stolen. 3. If there is no response from the old phone... well, I'm not sure, but at least the first two routes have siphoned off some important fraction of cases.
- xethos 3y ago
  This leaves me screwed when I lost my phone in a cab [0], or when normal people irrevocably lose / break their phone or SIM card [0] ...on Saturday night of a long weekend, in a country I was leaving on Sunday, and that cab regulations only required lost items be turned in weekdays/within 48 hours
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    Yeah, case 3 still sucks, but it's marginally-better than having everyone go through it.
  - gambiting 3y ago
    Can I just point out that the "instant replacement with esim" is a very new phenomenon, if I lost my regular SIM(or my phone) I'd have to go to an actual physical location for my provider and show them my ID before they issue me a replacement. The fact that with esims you can just skip that identification step or any kind of waiting period is bananas, because it enables this kind of fraud as described here. I understand the instant replacement helps with the cases you describe, but like......I'm not sure the trade off is worth it.
- nottorp 3y ago
  And of course both the current esim swap and your proposal are somehow much slower than, you know, swapping physical sims. I thought this crap was there for convenience? Where is it, that convenience?
nottorp 3y ago
And these warnings would be as hijackable as the current system so what would be the point? Or perhaps they would be hijackable in new and improved ways…
- Terr_ 3y ago
  > And these warnings would be as hijackable as the current system No, parent-poster is saying the warnings would go out to the original victim's phone in advance of any routing changes. That means the victim would have at least some opportunity to react and block it the hijacking.

Terr_ 3y ago

How about this: Before enabling a replacement eSIM for a new phone, an SMS or two are sent to the old phone to notify and authorize the movement. 1. If the old phone SMSes back a confirmation, things proceed immediately. This makes upgrades, trade-ins, and certain replacements (where the old phone is somewhat functional) nice and fast. 2. If the old phone SMSes back a denial, disable everything temporarily and get customer-service into the loop. This is justified because it suggests either the online phone-account has been hacked or else the old phone has been stolen. 3. If there is no response from the old phone... well, I'm not sure, but at least the first two routes have siphoned off some important fraction of cases.

xethos 3y ago
This leaves me screwed when I lost my phone in a cab [0], or when normal people irrevocably lose / break their phone or SIM card [0] ...on Saturday night of a long weekend, in a country I was leaving on Sunday, and that cab regulations only required lost items be turned in weekdays/within 48 hours
- Terr_ 3y ago
  Yeah, case 3 still sucks, but it's marginally-better than having everyone go through it.
- gambiting 3y ago
  Can I just point out that the "instant replacement with esim" is a very new phenomenon, if I lost my regular SIM(or my phone) I'd have to go to an actual physical location for my provider and show them my ID before they issue me a replacement. The fact that with esims you can just skip that identification step or any kind of waiting period is bananas, because it enables this kind of fraud as described here. I understand the instant replacement helps with the cases you describe, but like......I'm not sure the trade off is worth it.
nottorp 3y ago
And of course both the current esim swap and your proposal are somehow much slower than, you know, swapping physical sims. I thought this crap was there for convenience? Where is it, that convenience?

nottorp 3y ago

And these warnings would be as hijackable as the current system so what would be the point? Or perhaps they would be hijackable in new and improved ways…

Terr_ 3y ago
> And these warnings would be as hijackable as the current system No, parent-poster is saying the warnings would go out to the original victim's phone in advance of any routing changes. That means the victim would have at least some opportunity to react and block it the hijacking.