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Every automotive CEO has been complicit for a hundred years in polluting the environment and killing millions of people with air pollution, millions with substa

Every automotive CEO has been complicit for a hundred years in polluting the environment and killing millions of people with air pollution, millions with substandard safety and excessively large vehicles, and likely billions with global warming in the future, and a mass extinction of species. Musk busts unions (like every other CEO), gropes women, is a bad ex-husband/father, and tweets right-wing mean tweets. OMG WORST PERSON EVER. No I'm not giving him sole credit for Tesla/SpaceX/etc, no he is not god messiah of the earthworms. The touchscreens are out of control, though, that is undeniable. Tesla should have bought Nissan or some other failing mainline car company and rolled out EV tech with their traditional designs, but... that had to happen a decade ago. No point now.

dylan604 3y ago
The whataboutism is dripping so much it's a monsoon. Why is everything a comparison with "you people"? I have many reasons to dislike Musk not exclusive to your sarcasm of a 12 year old. I don't like brussel sprouts, but I don't need to know about your opinions of eating snails, raw fish, or burnt popcorn. It makes no bearing on my dislike nor does it have a bearing on the conversation. The car Tesla produces is a piece of trash and is unsafe at any speed, and you will not make me like it by telling me "yeah but other cars are worse".
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  Whataboutism is when someone posits a substantive deep problem and the other side lists a bunch of counterpoints that are shallow and unconvincing. I noticed you offered zero counterpoints to my core argument except that I am apparently a 12 year old. So in addition to misusing "whataboutism", you simply fell back to ad hominem. Finally, you were the one that went on the intertubes and espoused your view. I did not inject any new subject matter except to counterpoint your pretty myopic viewpoint. I don't care if your feelings were hurt by simple argumentative debate, the point of my response isn't to attack you, but to offer a different viewpoint to anyone ELSE that reads this. You are correct, it is futile debating people like you. Teslas have their problems, but they aren't trash. In particular if you look at GM's EV recalls, Porsche's issues with the Taycan, and various EV startups having major issues and scaling problems, Tesla did phenomenally well. The only other companies that did similarly were Chinese and Korean companies that are almost literally parts of their respective governments with unlimited budgets, and armies of near-slave labor in the case of the Chinese. And it is debatable if any other EV company is actually producing EVs at a sustainable economic profit. Likely the Chinese have turned the corner in the last year or two. Everyone else is still using ICE sales to pour research into their EVs.

dylan604 3y ago

The whataboutism is dripping so much it's a monsoon. Why is everything a comparison with "you people"? I have many reasons to dislike Musk not exclusive to your sarcasm of a 12 year old. I don't like brussel sprouts, but I don't need to know about your opinions of eating snails, raw fish, or burnt popcorn. It makes no bearing on my dislike nor does it have a bearing on the conversation. The car Tesla produces is a piece of trash and is unsafe at any speed, and you will not make me like it by telling me "yeah but other cars are worse".

AtlasBarfed 3y ago
Whataboutism is when someone posits a substantive deep problem and the other side lists a bunch of counterpoints that are shallow and unconvincing. I noticed you offered zero counterpoints to my core argument except that I am apparently a 12 year old. So in addition to misusing "whataboutism", you simply fell back to ad hominem. Finally, you were the one that went on the intertubes and espoused your view. I did not inject any new subject matter except to counterpoint your pretty myopic viewpoint. I don't care if your feelings were hurt by simple argumentative debate, the point of my response isn't to attack you, but to offer a different viewpoint to anyone ELSE that reads this. You are correct, it is futile debating people like you. Teslas have their problems, but they aren't trash. In particular if you look at GM's EV recalls, Porsche's issues with the Taycan, and various EV startups having major issues and scaling problems, Tesla did phenomenally well. The only other companies that did similarly were Chinese and Korean companies that are almost literally parts of their respective governments with unlimited budgets, and armies of near-slave labor in the case of the Chinese. And it is debatable if any other EV company is actually producing EVs at a sustainable economic profit. Likely the Chinese have turned the corner in the last year or two. Everyone else is still using ICE sales to pour research into their EVs.