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Apple will be fighting against it every 3 years when DMCA exemptions have to be renewed. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal

Apple will be fighting against it every 3 years when DMCA exemptions have to be renewed. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreaking-illegal https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/02/apple-says-jailbreakin... edit: after digging into this, my above statement is false as it no longer needs to be renewed every 3 years

kstrauser 3y ago
That's from 2009. Did they file comments claiming individual-level jailbreaking is illegal in 2012, 2015, 2018, 2021, or this year? I'm not an Apple employee or direct stockholder. I imagine my 401(k) has some in it, but I don't really know. I'm not claiming they're angels. What I am claiming is that Apple's never told me I'm not allowed to do whatever I want with the things I've bought from them. They might not support me in my ventures, and I'm sure they'd prefer I not, but I'm not aware of any case where Apple tried to legally limit a regular end customer's usage.
- prophesi 3y ago
  Well, they're the ones who spearheaded the attempt to make it illegal. They're not able to raise complaints for its renewal because, well, it _wasn't_ renewed in 2012, but is now covered under the Unlocking Consumer Choice and Wireless Competition Act. Unfortunately we can't deduce the reasons why it wasn't renewed in 2012, but I imagine Apple was doing the best in their power to convince the Librarian to make that decision.
- pierat 3y ago
  Your goalposts are moving. You might want to see to that.
  - kstrauser 3y ago
    Hardly. I said it was legal for me to jailbreak my own phone if I want to, and have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
    - prophesi 3y ago
      You asked if there were any cases of someone getting hassled for modding their own gear (and outside of phones, there are plenty of examples of that happening). If we're going back to phones, then it would have been illegal to jailbreak for a few months in 2014 after their anti-circumvention exemption expired and before the aforementioned Unlocking Consumer Choice act took effect. Though jailbreaking is still just one aspect of how DMCA is being used to restrict what you can do with the hardware you've purchased.

kstrauser 3y ago

That's from 2009. Did they file comments claiming individual-level jailbreaking is illegal in 2012, 2015, 2018, 2021, or this year? I'm not an Apple employee or direct stockholder. I imagine my 401(k) has some in it, but I don't really know. I'm not claiming they're angels. What I am claiming is that Apple's never told me I'm not allowed to do whatever I want with the things I've bought from them. They might not support me in my ventures, and I'm sure they'd prefer I not, but I'm not aware of any case where Apple tried to legally limit a regular end customer's usage.

prophesi 3y ago
Well, they're the ones who spearheaded the attempt to make it illegal. They're not able to raise complaints for its renewal because, well, it _wasn't_ renewed in 2012, but is now covered under the Unlocking Consumer Choice and Wireless Competition Act. Unfortunately we can't deduce the reasons why it wasn't renewed in 2012, but I imagine Apple was doing the best in their power to convince the Librarian to make that decision.
pierat 3y ago
Your goalposts are moving. You might want to see to that.
- kstrauser 3y ago
  Hardly. I said it was legal for me to jailbreak my own phone if I want to, and have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
  - prophesi 3y ago
    You asked if there were any cases of someone getting hassled for modding their own gear (and outside of phones, there are plenty of examples of that happening). If we're going back to phones, then it would have been illegal to jailbreak for a few months in 2014 after their anti-circumvention exemption expired and before the aforementioned Unlocking Consumer Choice act took effect. Though jailbreaking is still just one aspect of how DMCA is being used to restrict what you can do with the hardware you've purchased.