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> On April 8, the morels were served partially cooked, with a hot, boiled sauce poured over the raw mushrooms and left to marinate for 75 minutes; and on April

> On April 8, the morels were served partially cooked, with a hot, boiled sauce poured over the raw mushrooms and left to marinate for 75 minutes; and on April 17, they were served uncooked and cold-marinated. All morels are poisonous when eaten raw. There is zero gap in knowledge here.

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jackyinger 3y ago
And In general eating raw mushrooms is a no-go.
- Faaak 3y ago
  Paris mushrooms? Everybody eats them raw in France ? Or is it because they are cultivated industrially ?
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  - LegitShady 3y ago
    they're cultivated because they're not poisonous, not the other way around. they aren't morels, they're a different order of mushroom.
- tptacek 3y ago
  Cultivated mainstream mushrooms (buttons, cremini) are fine raw. And everyone eats them raw.
  - Alex3917 3y ago
    The commercial button mushrooms are still carcinogenic when eaten raw. The reason you see them at salad bars is because in practice there is no way to sue the salad bar if you get cancer 20 years later or whatever. But it's still not a good idea to eat them raw. The only two mushrooms people generally recommend trying raw are the beefsteak polypore and the caesar's amanita. But this isn't because they are healthier when eaten raw, but rather because they have some unique culinary properties that are considered worth the risk when consumed in small quantities.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      (1) In mice. (2) There's some question about whether cooking mushrooms even resolves the issue. (3) The effect seems smaller than that of potatoes and other acrylamide carriers, which we know, end-to-end, to be causative of human cancer. You do you, but mushroom carcinogenicity is not on my behavior-alteration list. (I don't like raw mushrooms so it's easy for me to say this).
      - margalabargala 3y ago
        > (3) The effect seems smaller than that of potatoes and other acrylamide carriers, which we know, end-to-end, to be causative of human cancer. Acrylamide, like many things, is known to be causative of cancer at extremely high doses. There is no indication that the levels found in food are harmful; it would be very difficult for a human to eat the levels of acrylamide shown to be harmful. The list of things carcinogenic at doses two orders of magnitude larger than those found in food is large.
    - dubcanada 3y ago
      Do you have a source? If you mean formaldehyde then I don’t think that really matters. That’s everywhere from a decent chunk of glues to wood. Chances are you are exposed to small amounts of it every single day.
      - tptacek 3y ago
        It's agaratine, but unlike acrylamide, which is most definitely a human carcinogen, the jury is still out on agaratine. You can give rats cancer with it, but only at huge doses. The more important consideration, from the limited reading I've done, is to limit consumption to cultivated mushrooms from reputable sources. Environmental toxins in raw mushrooms is a definite problem! But the white buttons you get at Safeway are no more likely to poison you than the potatoes or romaine you buy there.
    - yongjik 3y ago
      Meh. As far as I know, red meet is unambiguously carcinogenic, but that's not stopping many people from eating steak. I'll take my chances with mushrooms.
  - stbtrax 3y ago
    Is it common to eat raw mushroom? I've only even seen it in poorly made salads
  - cthalupa 3y ago
    Depends on how much you're eating. They still contain chitin and human stomachs don't like chitin. You can end up with pretty severe stomach discomfort from eating a lot of them raw. Button and cremini mushrooms are actually the same species, and have pretty low chitin levels, but even someone with a pretty strong stomach can definitely overdo it with raw agaricus bisporus.
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dsego 3y ago
My mom said the same thing to me a minute ago when I mentioned this headline. My parents are avid mushroom gatherers. Not every type of mushroom affects everyone the same way, a friend of theirs apparently ended up in hospital after eating the same kind of edible mushrooms my family ate for years, and it was thermally processed (cooked & pickled).
- raducu 3y ago
  clitocybe nebularis?
  - dsego 3y ago
    I think she mentioned it was macro mushroom, if I got the translation right.
- Loughla 3y ago
  Chicken of the woods is where people get sick most often. They're super easy to identify and don't really have any dangerous look alikes, so people tend to start with them when they start gathering mushrooms. They're delicious and the grow in huge quantities. So most people will eat a lot of them. And most people are okay, but several have either allergies or a sensitivity to them. And they get violently sick. Rule number one of wild gathered foods, regardless of what it is: eat just a little of it until you know it won't make you sick, even if it's 100% safe.
  - voisin 3y ago
    > Rule number one of wild gathered foods, regardless of what it is: eat just a little of it until you know it won't make you sick, even if it's 100% safe. I don’t have the source at hand but I recall reading a few years ago that you should start by rubbing it on your skin, and if no reaction run it inside your lips, and if no reaction, chew it a bit and spit it out, and if no reaction then eat a very small amount, and only eat more after a significant period of time has passed, and then in small doses. It seemed reasonable to me. Slowly increase the risk level.
optimalsolver 3y ago
If you've just eaten a raw one, here's a fun fact to dwell on while you wait: The abandoned alien ships in Frederik Pohl's Gateway are specifically described as morel-shaped. It's where I learned a morel is a type of mushroom.
wcchandler 3y ago
I'm grateful that I learned this lesson pretty early and pretty quickly. My first time I stumbled upon morels I ate them raw, not knowing any better. Then chased it with some whiskey, thinking the alcohol would kill whatever it needed to. That combo can sometimes be deadly. I have never been so violently sick. I now heed with extreme caution when eating any mushrooms for the first time. I also tend to overcook them out of extreme caution.
- number6 3y ago
  And please don't drink alcohol if you eat mushrooms
  - andy99 3y ago
    Why?
    - buescher 3y ago
      For foraged mushrooms. Alcohol can exacerbate reactions to mushroom toxins. There are particular wild mushrooms like ink caps that experts recommend you should not eat if you have had a drink within 48 hours, and you should not have a drink for 48 hours afterward.
    - InSteady 3y ago
      The oversimplified answer is that there are potential toxins in foraged mushrooms that your liver needs to sort out, which is going to be even more problematic if it is busy dealing with acetaldehyde from the ethanol breakdown. Pure lay speculation, but based on the fact that humans have been deliberately ingesting lots of alcohol for millennia (and mammals have been doing intermittently for untold millions of years), the liver may preferentially break down ethanol and then acetaldehyde even when substances that are problematic/deadly in lower concentrations are present. Alcohol metabolism has been optimized for. Interesting anecdote, methanol causes intoxication similar to alcohol and is harmful but not deadly in and of itself. However, methanol ingestion can cause blindness and death specifically because the liver breaks it down quickly into formic acid, which then circulates throughout the bloodstream. In cases of methanol poisoning, the antidote is to drink alcohol (ethanol) in sufficient quantities, since the liver preferentially breaks down the alcohol, allowing the methanol to be broken down much slower to the point that it is no longer deadly (half-life goes from 2-3 hours to 90+ hours when ethanol is present).
why_at 3y ago
Yeah this article is kind of annoying. I've started foraging for mushrooms in the past few months and I've never found a morel but I know they're poisonous when raw. It even says so on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morchella#Toxicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morchella#Toxicity There are plenty of gaps in knowledge about mushrooms, and there's a lot of unknowns about the ecology of morels but plenty of people eat these all the time.
- weaksauce 3y ago
  it’s written to an academic standard by the looks of it. they can’t claim things without proven research on it. the article says that the research into the toxin is not well characterized which is academic speak for that. that said it’s common knowledge to anyone who knows anything about mushrooms that you need to cook morels.
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    Okay, I have to ask: what’s with the all lower-case? Is there some internet fight against Big Cap?
    - weaksauce 3y ago
      I think I turned off autocaps on my ipad also it's not like we are submitting this for formal review or anything

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jackyinger 3y ago

And In general eating raw mushrooms is a no-go.

Faaak 3y ago
Paris mushrooms? Everybody eats them raw in France ? Or is it because they are cultivated industrially ?
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- LegitShady 3y ago
  they're cultivated because they're not poisonous, not the other way around. they aren't morels, they're a different order of mushroom.
tptacek 3y ago
Cultivated mainstream mushrooms (buttons, cremini) are fine raw. And everyone eats them raw.
- Alex3917 3y ago
  The commercial button mushrooms are still carcinogenic when eaten raw. The reason you see them at salad bars is because in practice there is no way to sue the salad bar if you get cancer 20 years later or whatever. But it's still not a good idea to eat them raw. The only two mushrooms people generally recommend trying raw are the beefsteak polypore and the caesar's amanita. But this isn't because they are healthier when eaten raw, but rather because they have some unique culinary properties that are considered worth the risk when consumed in small quantities.
  - tptacek 3y ago
    (1) In mice. (2) There's some question about whether cooking mushrooms even resolves the issue. (3) The effect seems smaller than that of potatoes and other acrylamide carriers, which we know, end-to-end, to be causative of human cancer. You do you, but mushroom carcinogenicity is not on my behavior-alteration list. (I don't like raw mushrooms so it's easy for me to say this).
    - margalabargala 3y ago
      > (3) The effect seems smaller than that of potatoes and other acrylamide carriers, which we know, end-to-end, to be causative of human cancer. Acrylamide, like many things, is known to be causative of cancer at extremely high doses. There is no indication that the levels found in food are harmful; it would be very difficult for a human to eat the levels of acrylamide shown to be harmful. The list of things carcinogenic at doses two orders of magnitude larger than those found in food is large.
  - dubcanada 3y ago
    Do you have a source? If you mean formaldehyde then I don’t think that really matters. That’s everywhere from a decent chunk of glues to wood. Chances are you are exposed to small amounts of it every single day.
    - tptacek 3y ago
      It's agaratine, but unlike acrylamide, which is most definitely a human carcinogen, the jury is still out on agaratine. You can give rats cancer with it, but only at huge doses. The more important consideration, from the limited reading I've done, is to limit consumption to cultivated mushrooms from reputable sources. Environmental toxins in raw mushrooms is a definite problem! But the white buttons you get at Safeway are no more likely to poison you than the potatoes or romaine you buy there.
  - yongjik 3y ago
    Meh. As far as I know, red meet is unambiguously carcinogenic, but that's not stopping many people from eating steak. I'll take my chances with mushrooms.
- stbtrax 3y ago
  Is it common to eat raw mushroom? I've only even seen it in poorly made salads
- cthalupa 3y ago
  Depends on how much you're eating. They still contain chitin and human stomachs don't like chitin. You can end up with pretty severe stomach discomfort from eating a lot of them raw. Button and cremini mushrooms are actually the same species, and have pretty low chitin levels, but even someone with a pretty strong stomach can definitely overdo it with raw agaricus bisporus.
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dsego 3y ago

My mom said the same thing to me a minute ago when I mentioned this headline. My parents are avid mushroom gatherers. Not every type of mushroom affects everyone the same way, a friend of theirs apparently ended up in hospital after eating the same kind of edible mushrooms my family ate for years, and it was thermally processed (cooked & pickled).

raducu 3y ago
clitocybe nebularis?
- dsego 3y ago
  I think she mentioned it was macro mushroom, if I got the translation right.
Loughla 3y ago
Chicken of the woods is where people get sick most often. They're super easy to identify and don't really have any dangerous look alikes, so people tend to start with them when they start gathering mushrooms. They're delicious and the grow in huge quantities. So most people will eat a lot of them. And most people are okay, but several have either allergies or a sensitivity to them. And they get violently sick. Rule number one of wild gathered foods, regardless of what it is: eat just a little of it until you know it won't make you sick, even if it's 100% safe.
- voisin 3y ago
  > Rule number one of wild gathered foods, regardless of what it is: eat just a little of it until you know it won't make you sick, even if it's 100% safe. I don’t have the source at hand but I recall reading a few years ago that you should start by rubbing it on your skin, and if no reaction run it inside your lips, and if no reaction, chew it a bit and spit it out, and if no reaction then eat a very small amount, and only eat more after a significant period of time has passed, and then in small doses. It seemed reasonable to me. Slowly increase the risk level.

optimalsolver 3y ago

If you've just eaten a raw one, here's a fun fact to dwell on while you wait: The abandoned alien ships in Frederik Pohl's Gateway are specifically described as morel-shaped. It's where I learned a morel is a type of mushroom.

wcchandler 3y ago

I'm grateful that I learned this lesson pretty early and pretty quickly. My first time I stumbled upon morels I ate them raw, not knowing any better. Then chased it with some whiskey, thinking the alcohol would kill whatever it needed to. That combo can sometimes be deadly. I have never been so violently sick. I now heed with extreme caution when eating any mushrooms for the first time. I also tend to overcook them out of extreme caution.

number6 3y ago
And please don't drink alcohol if you eat mushrooms
- andy99 3y ago
  Why?
  - buescher 3y ago
    For foraged mushrooms. Alcohol can exacerbate reactions to mushroom toxins. There are particular wild mushrooms like ink caps that experts recommend you should not eat if you have had a drink within 48 hours, and you should not have a drink for 48 hours afterward.
  - InSteady 3y ago
    The oversimplified answer is that there are potential toxins in foraged mushrooms that your liver needs to sort out, which is going to be even more problematic if it is busy dealing with acetaldehyde from the ethanol breakdown. Pure lay speculation, but based on the fact that humans have been deliberately ingesting lots of alcohol for millennia (and mammals have been doing intermittently for untold millions of years), the liver may preferentially break down ethanol and then acetaldehyde even when substances that are problematic/deadly in lower concentrations are present. Alcohol metabolism has been optimized for. Interesting anecdote, methanol causes intoxication similar to alcohol and is harmful but not deadly in and of itself. However, methanol ingestion can cause blindness and death specifically because the liver breaks it down quickly into formic acid, which then circulates throughout the bloodstream. In cases of methanol poisoning, the antidote is to drink alcohol (ethanol) in sufficient quantities, since the liver preferentially breaks down the alcohol, allowing the methanol to be broken down much slower to the point that it is no longer deadly (half-life goes from 2-3 hours to 90+ hours when ethanol is present).

why_at 3y ago

Yeah this article is kind of annoying. I've started foraging for mushrooms in the past few months and I've never found a morel but I know they're poisonous when raw. It even says so on wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morchella#Toxicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morchella#Toxicity There are plenty of gaps in knowledge about mushrooms, and there's a lot of unknowns about the ecology of morels but plenty of people eat these all the time.

weaksauce 3y ago
it’s written to an academic standard by the looks of it. they can’t claim things without proven research on it. the article says that the research into the toxin is not well characterized which is academic speak for that. that said it’s common knowledge to anyone who knows anything about mushrooms that you need to cook morels.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Okay, I have to ask: what’s with the all lower-case? Is there some internet fight against Big Cap?
  - weaksauce 3y ago
    I think I turned off autocaps on my ipad also it's not like we are submitting this for formal review or anything