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I fully agree that new is very often worse than old. I've had to return 3 new iPhones in a row for manufacturing defects and out of box software errors. A TV

I fully agree that new is very often worse than old. I've had to return 3 new iPhones in a row for manufacturing defects and out of box software errors. A TV lasts me maybe 4 years before it's 'broken' and needs to be replaced.' Home appliance longevity is laughable now.. (especially Samsung, my gosh.) I've purchased 5 new cars over the past 15 years or so, only one of which didn't have serious problems from new that had to be dealt with.. or could not be resolved/etc. We're just hitting bottom here, the next 10 years are going to be pretty rough.

trogdor 3y ago
> I've had to return 3 new iPhones in a row for manufacturing defects and out of box software errors That is very surprising. Mind explaining what the issues were?
- ineedaj0b 3y ago
  Other issues may be affecting the parent commenter if 3 iPhones were unusable in a row. Perhaps not. But I worked retail and some people could find a problem with anything
ieee2 3y ago
My experience: Our last two washer lasted for 20 years each. We have only third one now and first one did not break :) I have bought many (6) smartphones and non has broken during my usage and also after I passed them to others. We have 4th TV at home and each one was fully working when we replaced it after ~ 10 years. Current one (Sony), our first LCD is from 2012 and works perfectly (with just new set top box). I have bought/got many laptops and any of them has broken. I have laptop from 1996 or 1998 which still works. There were software issues there, but they are fixable by update. (I have never bought Acer or Asus though)
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > Our last two washer lasted for 20 years each. We quit repairing washers when we bought a 20yo Whirlpool. Same story for dryer except it's a 1988 Maytag.