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Yeah, seconded. Tesla is representative of everything wrong with EV design. Yes, they came in and disrupted everything wrong with ICE design, but they've crea

Yeah, seconded. Tesla is representative of everything wrong with EV design. Yes, they came in and disrupted everything wrong with ICE design, but they've created a monster. The touchscreens for opening the glove box, the software feature lockout, the lack of repair-ability...I mean cars used to come with a wiring schematic. We need cars buit like the ATX computer standard, something EVs are especially well positioned to do, not built like the IPone.

adolph 3y ago
> We need cars buit like the ATX computer standard Isn’t the controller area network an equivalent standard for interop? What’s keeping someone from offering a physical button that signals toggleLatch to the device providing glovebox services on the CAN bus?
- dylan604 3y ago
  Who is that someone? The person that bought the car, got frustrated, and is now looking for 3rd party/after market fixes? That seems like such a wrong solution to me.
- AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
  CAN bus isn't an interoperable standard, it's closer to lightly structured I2C. It feels like the standards committee might be moving in that direction with the more ethernet style version they're pushing, but I need to sit down and play with it a bit. While CAN is a standard, it's basically transport layer only. The automakers have all sorts of custom stuff on top of it that's wildly proprietary. Talk to a mechanic and they'll complain about how each car company requires them to buy their own special software suite for diagnosing issues.
dylan604 3y ago
> Yes, they came in and disrupted everything This entire pursuit of disruption has become just a red flag to me. Are there industries that are desperate for an outside company to come along and change the status quo? Absolutely. However, the SV "disruptors" have soured my view altogether on their willing to just be a bull in the china shop looking to gain notice/investment, yet ultimately not actually providing a good service/product/etc.

adolph 3y ago

> We need cars buit like the ATX computer standard Isn’t the controller area network an equivalent standard for interop? What’s keeping someone from offering a physical button that signals toggleLatch to the device providing glovebox services on the CAN bus?

dylan604 3y ago
Who is that someone? The person that bought the car, got frustrated, and is now looking for 3rd party/after market fixes? That seems like such a wrong solution to me.
AnarchismIsCool 3y ago
CAN bus isn't an interoperable standard, it's closer to lightly structured I2C. It feels like the standards committee might be moving in that direction with the more ethernet style version they're pushing, but I need to sit down and play with it a bit. While CAN is a standard, it's basically transport layer only. The automakers have all sorts of custom stuff on top of it that's wildly proprietary. Talk to a mechanic and they'll complain about how each car company requires them to buy their own special software suite for diagnosing issues.

dylan604 3y ago

> Yes, they came in and disrupted everything This entire pursuit of disruption has become just a red flag to me. Are there industries that are desperate for an outside company to come along and change the status quo? Absolutely. However, the SV "disruptors" have soured my view altogether on their willing to just be a bull in the china shop looking to gain notice/investment, yet ultimately not actually providing a good service/product/etc.