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Author here. I do, in fact, have an engineering degree. But I guess your comment is more about yourself rather than me.

grecy 3y ago
Interesting, thanks for the information - I think it would be worth including that info to make it clear you're not an "Engineer". At a company I worked at basically everyone had that in their title including "Sales engineers" and "Market engineering specialist" (none of them had an engineering degree) FWIW, I have a Bachelor of Software Engineering, accredited by the Australian Institute of Engineers.
- skwee357 3y ago
  I honestly don’t care about papers that much. There are professions that can cause harm without proper education, but most of software engineering is not like this. And to say the truth, it’s all just part of the game. 12 years ago I called myself programmer or web developer. But when the industry popularized the term Software Engineer, I went with that, because in the end I wanted to be hired, rather than dealing with semantics of the word “engineer”.
- feoren 3y ago
  > FWIW, I have a Bachelor of Software Engineering, accredited by the Australian Institute of Engineers. FWIW, your bullshit title is just as bullshit as everyone else's bullshit title. It's what you do that matters. Most programmers / software developers / software engineers are garbage at their job, and I give it about a 0% chance that your accredited software engineering degree means you're any less likely to be garbage too. The guys who walk around talking about how they have a Bona Fide Microsoft Partner Certification (BFMPC) are usually the worst coders of all. You realize that they literally just called it "Engineering", right? Some universities call it "Engineering" and some don't, that's just a word they decided to use. You're literally claiming to be better than other people because your college called it "Engineering" instead of "Science". That's the kind of person you're deciding to be. Anyone can get through school; it's meaningless. And it's meaningless that your college happened to pick the word "Engineering" for your degree. My local colleges distinguish between "computer engineering" and "computer science" as the former being more focused on logic gates and C, and the latter being more focused on type theory and high-level programming languages. That's all it is -- a focus. The only titles that matter are those that can be revoked, like a medical license, the Bar Association, or a Professional Engineer's license (which is not the same as simply having graduated with the word "Engineering" in your degree), because at least then you know the person is less likely to be literally dangerously unqualified. But I'm guessing your Superior Better-Than-Everyone-Else Bachelor of Software Engineering Accredited by the Australian Institute of Engineers isn't something they'd revoke if it turned out you didn't know a for-loop from your own asshole, is it?
  - Nicksil 3y ago
    lmao this has got to be one of the most ignorant comments on hn. Unless you're just shit posting, then meh.
    - feoren 3y ago
      Oh please. They didn't even claim to be a member of AIE, they just said their university/degree was "accredited" by them. You know: the absolute bare minimum requirement to even call it a degree? You're really impressed by that? Would you be impressed if someone told you they were a member of IEEE? It's just all the same bullshit.
      - Nicksil 3y ago
        who's talking about being impressed? You are but that's all I see lol
        feoren 3y ago
        Well then what are you talking about? Why did you bother responding to my comment if you have nothing to say? What exactly was ignorant about it?
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Given how snide and ignorant the parent was being, I actually think their response was entirely warranted. You better not be insecure about your own credentials if you've got the balls to question someone else's authority on engineering. Turnabout is fair play.

Interesting, thanks for the information - I think it would be worth including that info to make it clear you're not an "Engineer". At a company I worked at basically everyone had that in their title including "Sales engineers" and "Market engineering specialist" (none of them had an engineering degree) FWIW, I have a Bachelor of Software Engineering, accredited by the Australian Institute of Engineers.

skwee357 3y ago
I honestly don’t care about papers that much. There are professions that can cause harm without proper education, but most of software engineering is not like this. And to say the truth, it’s all just part of the game. 12 years ago I called myself programmer or web developer. But when the industry popularized the term Software Engineer, I went with that, because in the end I wanted to be hired, rather than dealing with semantics of the word “engineer”.
feoren 3y ago
> FWIW, I have a Bachelor of Software Engineering, accredited by the Australian Institute of Engineers. FWIW, your bullshit title is just as bullshit as everyone else's bullshit title. It's what you do that matters. Most programmers / software developers / software engineers are garbage at their job, and I give it about a 0% chance that your accredited software engineering degree means you're any less likely to be garbage too. The guys who walk around talking about how they have a Bona Fide Microsoft Partner Certification (BFMPC) are usually the worst coders of all. You realize that they literally just called it "Engineering", right? Some universities call it "Engineering" and some don't, that's just a word they decided to use. You're literally claiming to be better than other people because your college called it "Engineering" instead of "Science". That's the kind of person you're deciding to be. Anyone can get through school; it's meaningless. And it's meaningless that your college happened to pick the word "Engineering" for your degree. My local colleges distinguish between "computer engineering" and "computer science" as the former being more focused on logic gates and C, and the latter being more focused on type theory and high-level programming languages. That's all it is -- a focus. The only titles that matter are those that can be revoked, like a medical license, the Bar Association, or a Professional Engineer's license (which is not the same as simply having graduated with the word "Engineering" in your degree), because at least then you know the person is less likely to be literally dangerously unqualified. But I'm guessing your Superior Better-Than-Everyone-Else Bachelor of Software Engineering Accredited by the Australian Institute of Engineers isn't something they'd revoke if it turned out you didn't know a for-loop from your own asshole, is it?
- Nicksil 3y ago
  lmao this has got to be one of the most ignorant comments on hn. Unless you're just shit posting, then meh.
  - feoren 3y ago
    Oh please. They didn't even claim to be a member of AIE, they just said their university/degree was "accredited" by them. You know: the absolute bare minimum requirement to even call it a degree? You're really impressed by that? Would you be impressed if someone told you they were a member of IEEE? It's just all the same bullshit.
    - Nicksil 3y ago
      who's talking about being impressed? You are but that's all I see lol
      - feoren 3y ago
        Well then what are you talking about? Why did you bother responding to my comment if you have nothing to say? What exactly was ignorant about it?
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Given how snide and ignorant the parent was being, I actually think their response was entirely warranted. You better not be insecure about your own credentials if you've got the balls to question someone else's authority on engineering. Turnabout is fair play.