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In the near future, large battleships will become known as "high value targets".

bell-cot 3y ago
Um...large battleships have been known as "rusting old museum ships" for the past 1/3 of a century. Any reason why an enemy might care about them?
- jqpabc123 3y ago
  Any reason why an enemy might care about them? Battleships and carriers have a lot of firepower that needs to be neutralized at the start of any war. This will probably take a few hours in any major conflict.
  - Log_out_ 3y ago
    ? Drones submarine ala ukraine in mineconfiguration buried in the silt, you don't even need a navy for that..
  - bell-cot 3y ago
    If it was an operational warship, then a battleship would have a lot of firepower...the great majority of it very short-range, by current standards. The last time that any battleship was returned to active service, from merely being in reserve, doing that required more than 1 1/2 very expensive years of shipyard work. Now, the battleships have been left rusting for almost 3X as long as they were before that re-activation in the 1980's.
    - jqpabc123 3y ago
      I intended "battleship" in a generic manner to include the carriers which are currently being built.
      - bell-cot 3y ago
        Suggestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warship Or, for large and highly valuable warships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ship
reaperman 3y ago
I don't think there is even a single "battleship" deployed today, the last ones were decommissioned about 30 years ago.[0] By size, our largest naval combat ships are, of course, aircraft carriers (100,000t). Followed by amphibious assault ships (45,000t) and dock landing ships (16,000t). Then the fucking Zumwalt (16,000t), missile cruisers (9,600t), missile destroyers (8-10,000t), missile frigates (7,300t), and littoral combat ships (3-4,000t). For now they're all capable of defending small drone swarms (proven up to 14 drones) just fine using their CIWS.[1] But they may need some weapon-systems upgrades to defend against thousands of drones. The CIWS currently has a minimum burst size of 60 rounds, so if just 60 rounds is enough to reliably take out a drone, then each CIWS has enough ammo to shoot down 25 drones. Typically there are 2 Phalanx on each ship, so they could shoot down up to 50 drones each, except the Wasp-class amphibious assault ship which has 3 Phalanx (max 75 drones) and the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers which have 3-4 phalanx (max 100 drones). The expeditionary mobile bases (90-100,000t) do not have CIWS but generally aren't supposed to operate in heavily contested areas, and aren't considered "combat ships". 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship#End_of_the_battleship_era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship#End_of_the_battlesh... 1: https://warriormaven.com/sea/how-did-a-us-navy-warship-destroy-a-houth-fired-14-drone-attack-swarm https://warriormaven.com/sea/how-did-a-us-navy-warship-destr...

Um...large battleships have been known as "rusting old museum ships" for the past 1/3 of a century. Any reason why an enemy might care about them?

jqpabc123 3y ago
Any reason why an enemy might care about them? Battleships and carriers have a lot of firepower that needs to be neutralized at the start of any war. This will probably take a few hours in any major conflict.
- Log_out_ 3y ago
  ? Drones submarine ala ukraine in mineconfiguration buried in the silt, you don't even need a navy for that..
- bell-cot 3y ago
  If it was an operational warship, then a battleship would have a lot of firepower...the great majority of it very short-range, by current standards. The last time that any battleship was returned to active service, from merely being in reserve, doing that required more than 1 1/2 very expensive years of shipyard work. Now, the battleships have been left rusting for almost 3X as long as they were before that re-activation in the 1980's.
  - jqpabc123 3y ago
    I intended "battleship" in a generic manner to include the carriers which are currently being built.
    - bell-cot 3y ago
      Suggestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warship Or, for large and highly valuable warships: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_ship

reaperman 3y ago

I don't think there is even a single "battleship" deployed today, the last ones were decommissioned about 30 years ago.[0] By size, our largest naval combat ships are, of course, aircraft carriers (100,000t). Followed by amphibious assault ships (45,000t) and dock landing ships (16,000t). Then the fucking Zumwalt (16,000t), missile cruisers (9,600t), missile destroyers (8-10,000t), missile frigates (7,300t), and littoral combat ships (3-4,000t). For now they're all capable of defending small drone swarms (proven up to 14 drones) just fine using their CIWS.[1] But they may need some weapon-systems upgrades to defend against thousands of drones. The CIWS currently has a minimum burst size of 60 rounds, so if just 60 rounds is enough to reliably take out a drone, then each CIWS has enough ammo to shoot down 25 drones. Typically there are 2 Phalanx on each ship, so they could shoot down up to 50 drones each, except the Wasp-class amphibious assault ship which has 3 Phalanx (max 75 drones) and the Nimitz-class aircraft carriers which have 3-4 phalanx (max 100 drones). The expeditionary mobile bases (90-100,000t) do not have CIWS but generally aren't supposed to operate in heavily contested areas, and aren't considered "combat ships". 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship#End_of_the_battleship_era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleship#End_of_the_battlesh... 1: https://warriormaven.com/sea/how-did-a-us-navy-warship-destroy-a-houth-fired-14-drone-attack-swarm https://warriormaven.com/sea/how-did-a-us-navy-warship-destr...