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As much as this was meant to silence him, this was meant as a message to anyone else considering whistleblowing. Whistleblowing rapidly loses attractively if y

As much as this was meant to silence him, this was meant as a message to anyone else considering whistleblowing. Whistleblowing rapidly loses attractively if you know that you will get putined. Why pay someone off? Why be scared? Just kill anyone you don't like. They do it because they can. They are companies with country-sized budgets. This is corporation sponsored terrorism against the population. Will there be consequences? I doubt it.

epolanski 3y ago
I don't think we have that many informations to label c-suite in Boeing as killers with such ease. Those are serious allegations. I would rather wait for an inquiry/coroner/etc to shed more light on what's happened.
- spacephysics 3y ago
  I’d more readily believe it’s a shareholder than anyone directly at Boeing. But who knows
  - epolanski 3y ago
    What would be the incentive? Seeing his portfolio shrink and the company go through even more problems than it has?
    - smallmancontrov 3y ago
      Modest 401ks invested in index funds yielding a tiny amount of supplemental income that mostly gets reinvested for retirement are not a universal truth. Some people invest for a living. If you have the net worth for it, it's a nice way to live. Other people strive for the same using concentration and leverage. So yeah, there are investors out there who care a lot.
      - epolanski 3y ago
        But no investor here benefits from throwing shades on Boeing killing whistleblowers.
        smallmancontrov 3y ago
        What? Why on Earth would you think that? "We are all pretty sure Boeing did it" doesn't meet any actionable legal standard. Deposing this guy and the followups is a critical part of the accountability process that will no longer happen or, in the case of followups, be significantly impeded by the presence of a credible threat looming over their heads. Shareholders (and management) absolutely benefit.
        epolanski 3y ago
        Because getting the company you have shares in dragged in even more mud at such a time with a whistleblower dying mysteriously does really your shares no good.
    - spacephysics 3y ago
      Once you start to look at hedge funds with very large option positions, the losses can be many thousands of times larger than just “stock lost 5%, means I lost 5%” It’s usually something like “if stock drops 2.5% at this number, we’re forced to buy the inverse option to hedge our bets and we loose X amount” (over simplification) Just look at the GME stuff and how much money was lost due to retail trading meme behavior
      - kylebenzle 3y ago
        Im surprised they didn't murder Roaring Kitty (Keith Gill) probably wh he has gone into hiding. He probably got the same offer he couldn't refuse, "shut the fuck up or else."
- lupusreal 3y ago
  We already know they're killers, the second MAX crash showed that if the first didn't. Now it's just a question of how direct they're willing to get.
- readthenotes1 3y ago
  We already know that they are killers. Just ask the people who died on their planes, for which they did their best to cover up Boeing's responsibility.
- pizzafeelsright 3y ago
  It is never so direct. Management gets a contact who is a fixer, hired though an attorney, hiring a contractor who does investigations who happen to have contacts who will do field work research. Field researcher gets name, hotel, car, follows from deposition and when the schedule becomes predictable an interaction or two occurs. Maybe an offer to stay silent followed up with a threat or action that will further persuade a favorable outcome for the hiring agency. Upper management has zero exposure and everyone down the line was vague enough to be removed from direct action with the trigger being unaffiliated party. Want to punish a neighbor? Pay a homeless guy to hire a homeless guy to throw a rock through a window. Who gets arrested? Not the home owner. Homeless guys can't be trusted for their witness. No records. Window is still broken.

epolanski 3y ago

I don't think we have that many informations to label c-suite in Boeing as killers with such ease. Those are serious allegations. I would rather wait for an inquiry/coroner/etc to shed more light on what's happened.

spacephysics 3y ago
I’d more readily believe it’s a shareholder than anyone directly at Boeing. But who knows
- epolanski 3y ago
  What would be the incentive? Seeing his portfolio shrink and the company go through even more problems than it has?
  - smallmancontrov 3y ago
    Modest 401ks invested in index funds yielding a tiny amount of supplemental income that mostly gets reinvested for retirement are not a universal truth. Some people invest for a living. If you have the net worth for it, it's a nice way to live. Other people strive for the same using concentration and leverage. So yeah, there are investors out there who care a lot.
    - epolanski 3y ago
      But no investor here benefits from throwing shades on Boeing killing whistleblowers.
      - smallmancontrov 3y ago
        What? Why on Earth would you think that? "We are all pretty sure Boeing did it" doesn't meet any actionable legal standard. Deposing this guy and the followups is a critical part of the accountability process that will no longer happen or, in the case of followups, be significantly impeded by the presence of a credible threat looming over their heads. Shareholders (and management) absolutely benefit.
        epolanski 3y ago
        Because getting the company you have shares in dragged in even more mud at such a time with a whistleblower dying mysteriously does really your shares no good.
  - spacephysics 3y ago
    Once you start to look at hedge funds with very large option positions, the losses can be many thousands of times larger than just “stock lost 5%, means I lost 5%” It’s usually something like “if stock drops 2.5% at this number, we’re forced to buy the inverse option to hedge our bets and we loose X amount” (over simplification) Just look at the GME stuff and how much money was lost due to retail trading meme behavior
    - kylebenzle 3y ago
      Im surprised they didn't murder Roaring Kitty (Keith Gill) probably wh he has gone into hiding. He probably got the same offer he couldn't refuse, "shut the fuck up or else."
lupusreal 3y ago
We already know they're killers, the second MAX crash showed that if the first didn't. Now it's just a question of how direct they're willing to get.
readthenotes1 3y ago
We already know that they are killers. Just ask the people who died on their planes, for which they did their best to cover up Boeing's responsibility.
pizzafeelsright 3y ago
It is never so direct. Management gets a contact who is a fixer, hired though an attorney, hiring a contractor who does investigations who happen to have contacts who will do field work research. Field researcher gets name, hotel, car, follows from deposition and when the schedule becomes predictable an interaction or two occurs. Maybe an offer to stay silent followed up with a threat or action that will further persuade a favorable outcome for the hiring agency. Upper management has zero exposure and everyone down the line was vague enough to be removed from direct action with the trigger being unaffiliated party. Want to punish a neighbor? Pay a homeless guy to hire a homeless guy to throw a rock through a window. Who gets arrested? Not the home owner. Homeless guys can't be trusted for their witness. No records. Window is still broken.