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Simply put, every statement you've made is false. From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers curr

Simply put, every statement you've made is false. From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ?

jnsaff2 3y ago
Is it the bomb manufacturers that put Ukraine into a dire situation or the ones actually bombing Ukraine?
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  Follow the money. The only ones reaping any reward from the utter destruction of Ukraine and its people, are Western arms manufacturers, whose profits have skyrocketed since the CIA opened up the market for their weapons sales and deliveries ..
  - jnsaff2 3y ago
    Answer the original question.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      Its the politicians who put Ukraine into the dangerous position, by not employing diplomacy to ensure that peaceful relations were kept with their neighbors. And its the bomb makers, and their willing media lackeys (whom are owned by the bomb makers), who are convincing the gullible American public that it is in their interests (it really isn't) to get involved in yet another heinously evil, disgusting war - this, after having also convinced their willful subjects to invade and destroy Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia .. exactly the same folks involved in Ukraine. One bomb dropped every twenty minutes, for the past twenty years. We're almost running out of places for America's ruling oligarch classes to extract a profit through their war-mongering ...
      - jnsaff2 3y ago
        russians are bombing Ukraine. No matter how much mental gymnastics you try to go through it does not change the fact that russians are doing it. They started it they are the ones operating the bombers and guns.
mopsi 3y ago
> Simply put, every statement you've made is false. No. These are well-known facts, public record. On 22nd February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 in favor of removing Yanukovych from office after what he had done. Even his own party released a statement condemning him. Elections for the new president were held in May of the same year. Which part of this is "CIA coup"? Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office? If that's the case, then many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" every few years as failed politicians are voted out of office, usually because of corruption or incompetence. > From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ? No. I can't think of a single media outlet in my country connected to "bomb manufacturers" in any way. One media group is centered around an old newspaper publisher, another group is centered around a medical supplier that has branched into media and retail business, and the third major one is public broadcasting. So you have to somehow connect a dog food retailer to the war if you want to pursue the profiteering angle.
- boffinAudio 3y ago
  The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. >many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. > Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office? Quite often, yes it is. The CIA conduct operations forcing the political change they want to see - and this definitely occurred in the case of Ukraine. See also, the Whitlam government in Australia, where they refined the technique.
  - mopsi 3y ago
    > The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. Indeed - speaking of clandestine operations, here's how Ukrainian president (2005-2010) Viktor Yushchenko looked before and after Russians poisoned him: https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg The poisoning happened two months before 2004 presidential elections. Russians poisoned the prime challenger to their puppet, and boosted their puppet further with widespread election fraud that was later overturned by Ukrainian supreme court. This is how an actual coup attempt looks like. > Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. CIA is not the prime mover in the world and the only reason why anything ever happens. For example, last week the Estonia minister of justice resigned because he had used his personal allowance against established rules by renting an apartment from his wife's adult son from another marriage. While he was aware that he couldn't rent an apartment from a relative (anti-corruption rule), he didn't know that the son would qualify as a relative too under these rules. He fucked up and resigned. This had nothing to do with the CIA, nor do many other things going on in the world. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the complexities of the world. When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations.

jnsaff2 3y ago

Is it the bomb manufacturers that put Ukraine into a dire situation or the ones actually bombing Ukraine?

boffinAudio 3y ago
Follow the money. The only ones reaping any reward from the utter destruction of Ukraine and its people, are Western arms manufacturers, whose profits have skyrocketed since the CIA opened up the market for their weapons sales and deliveries ..
- jnsaff2 3y ago
  Answer the original question.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    Its the politicians who put Ukraine into the dangerous position, by not employing diplomacy to ensure that peaceful relations were kept with their neighbors. And its the bomb makers, and their willing media lackeys (whom are owned by the bomb makers), who are convincing the gullible American public that it is in their interests (it really isn't) to get involved in yet another heinously evil, disgusting war - this, after having also convinced their willful subjects to invade and destroy Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia .. exactly the same folks involved in Ukraine. One bomb dropped every twenty minutes, for the past twenty years. We're almost running out of places for America's ruling oligarch classes to extract a profit through their war-mongering ...
    - jnsaff2 3y ago
      russians are bombing Ukraine. No matter how much mental gymnastics you try to go through it does not change the fact that russians are doing it. They started it they are the ones operating the bombers and guns.

mopsi 3y ago

> Simply put, every statement you've made is false. No. These are well-known facts, public record. On 22nd February 2014, the Ukrainian parliament voted 328-0 in favor of removing Yanukovych from office after what he had done. Even his own party released a statement condemning him. Elections for the new president were held in May of the same year. Which part of this is "CIA coup"? Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office? If that's the case, then many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" every few years as failed politicians are voted out of office, usually because of corruption or incompetence. > From where do you derive your propaganda - the same media organizations, owned by the bomb manufacturers currently reaping immense profit from Ukraines' dire situation, maybe .. ? No. I can't think of a single media outlet in my country connected to "bomb manufacturers" in any way. One media group is centered around an old newspaper publisher, another group is centered around a medical supplier that has branched into media and retail business, and the third major one is public broadcasting. So you have to somehow connect a dog food retailer to the war if you want to pursue the profiteering angle.

boffinAudio 3y ago
The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. >many countries in Europe have a "CIA coup" Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. > Is it a "CIA coup" every time a parliament holds a vote of no confidence to remove someone from a public office? Quite often, yes it is. The CIA conduct operations forcing the political change they want to see - and this definitely occurred in the case of Ukraine. See also, the Whitlam government in Australia, where they refined the technique.
- mopsi 3y ago
  > The CIA have been conducting clandestine operations in Ukraine from the beginning of the colour revolutions until present day. If your view of Ukraine begins on February 22, 2014, you're missing a huge chunk of the picture - either disingenuously, or through dire ignorance. Indeed - speaking of clandestine operations, here's how Ukrainian president (2005-2010) Viktor Yushchenko looked before and after Russians poisoned him: https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/H3R7yF8.jpeg The poisoning happened two months before 2004 presidential elections. Russians poisoned the prime challenger to their puppet, and boosted their puppet further with widespread election fraud that was later overturned by Ukrainian supreme court. This is how an actual coup attempt looks like. > Yes, they do indeed, because the CIA views Europe as an enemy to the superiority of the American people, and performing these kinds of coups is entirely within its purposes as a counter-democratic, sovereignty-invalidating agency. CIA is not the prime mover in the world and the only reason why anything ever happens. For example, last week the Estonia minister of justice resigned because he had used his personal allowance against established rules by renting an apartment from his wife's adult son from another marriage. While he was aware that he couldn't rent an apartment from a relative (anti-corruption rule), he didn't know that the son would qualify as a relative too under these rules. He fucked up and resigned. This had nothing to do with the CIA, nor do many other things going on in the world. To claim otherwise is to be ignorant of the complexities of the world. When it comes to Eastern Europe, the CIA is not even in the top three most influential intelligence organizations.