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It’s 88k images… I think you are massively overestimating the complexity

by supermatt 3y ago

notachatbot123 3y ago
Which necessary steps and how much time would you estimate per image?
- xandrius 3y ago
  They probably think they can code something in 5 minutes
- supermatt 3y ago
  "Before I dealt with huge collections as a developer" says the comment I responded to. 88k is not a huge collection of anything from a software development perspective. The compilation of that collection is obviously more considerable. Archivists at Getty have already said it is about 10 years work for ~20 people.
  - notachatbot123 3y ago
    I guess that depends on what you consider "development" to be?
    - supermatt 3y ago
      Yeah, I suppose thats a fair point.
  - chefandy 3y ago
    > I didn't consider how much intellectual work went into managing collections as entities I wasn't talking about the software development side, and I certainly wouldn't call the tech end of this a significant part of the 'intellectual work.' Organizing and managing 88k images is something my laptop 10 years ago wouldn't balk at, serving them is something a low-tier vps could do, and supporting CRUD apps for the archivists, etc are usually trivial. I think you're massively underestimating the importance of other people's tasks in these operations. Even as a developer, the people-focused work-- e.g. working with the other teams to strategize about how tech could best suit their processes, training, design iterations, etc.-- was more work than any technical component.
chefandy 3y ago
You're thinking about this from a technical perspective, but the tech is the easy part. The content, and therefore structure and logical chunking of the metadata, is far more consequential than the number of images. I've seen people in academic environments pour tens of thousands of post-doc-hours into cataloging a few thousand images: https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/ https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/

It’s 88k images… I think you are massively overestimating the complexity

notachatbot123 3y ago

Which necessary steps and how much time would you estimate per image?

xandrius 3y ago
They probably think they can code something in 5 minutes
supermatt 3y ago
"Before I dealt with huge collections as a developer" says the comment I responded to. 88k is not a huge collection of anything from a software development perspective. The compilation of that collection is obviously more considerable. Archivists at Getty have already said it is about 10 years work for ~20 people.
- notachatbot123 3y ago
  I guess that depends on what you consider "development" to be?
  - supermatt 3y ago
    Yeah, I suppose thats a fair point.
- chefandy 3y ago
  > I didn't consider how much intellectual work went into managing collections as entities I wasn't talking about the software development side, and I certainly wouldn't call the tech end of this a significant part of the 'intellectual work.' Organizing and managing 88k images is something my laptop 10 years ago wouldn't balk at, serving them is something a low-tier vps could do, and supporting CRUD apps for the archivists, etc are usually trivial. I think you're massively underestimating the importance of other people's tasks in these operations. Even as a developer, the people-focused work-- e.g. working with the other teams to strategize about how tech could best suit their processes, training, design iterations, etc.-- was more work than any technical component.

chefandy 3y ago

You're thinking about this from a technical perspective, but the tech is the easy part. The content, and therefore structure and logical chunking of the metadata, is far more consequential than the number of images. I've seen people in academic environments pour tens of thousands of post-doc-hours into cataloging a few thousand images: https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/ https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/