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Seems pretty reasonable. Since bikes don't cause as much damage/injury as motorized vehicles, it makes sense to have a lower classification and lower fines as

by mc32 3y ago

Seems pretty reasonable. Since bikes don't cause as much damage/injury as motorized vehicles, it makes sense to have a lower classification and lower fines as well --while keeping them responsible.

nothercastle 3y ago
But a bike dui is dumb.
- chmod775 3y ago
  In the context of a culture that doesn't see anything wrong with that kind of "disorderly" behavior, yes it would be dumb. However Japan is not such a place and its laws reflect its culture.
  - kalleboo 3y ago
    Bike DUI is extremely common in Japan, I was once laughed at to my face for suggesting walking my bike home.
    - inference-lord 3y ago
      The only cases of bike theft I've heard about are drunk salarymen in Tokyo who miss the last train and take a bike to ride home on.
    - chmod775 3y ago
      Is that just a fun anecdote or is your point that Japanese society is somehow not more concerned with these things than the US? Because the latter is just wrong.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  You're still operating a vehicle and can hurt people/damage property. To note, at no point you're barred from riding a bike or penalized in a critical way, so why not ?
  - nothercastle 3y ago
    DUI is a class of pre crime. None was actually hurt it’s the potential of possibly being more likely to hurt someone. In a car the odds of that are probably 100 times or 1000 times higher than on a bike so punishment should reflect that.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      This might be a difference of context. In Japan you're expected to be sharing the road in a very litteral sense, like moving to the side to let a car turn at a corner, or getting off of the bike to have a pedestrian pass because it's just that narrow. There's little to no traffic infra in residential blocks, and you're expected to be careful and watch your way. Also bikes can easily be 30kg heavy and motor assisted, as you're using it for groceries or moving two kids to) from school everyday. Combine thanig an aging population (small kids freely roaming the neighborhood can also be an issue, but let's assume we're at night, not drunk at lunchtime) Hitting someone at a corner with a bike can be fatal (and actually is, at some non negligeable rate), and hitting a car won't be a small bump. PS: > so punishment should reflect that. DUI in Japan is one of the highest infraction. There's a point system, and you're (temporarily) barred from using your car at 6 points. Straight DUI with no casualties, no accident, is 25 points. The blue ticket you just have to pay that is discussed for bikes is peanuts.
  - NikkiA 3y ago
    In the UK a DUI on a bicycle can (and frequently does) result in points/suspension of your driving license, or a future driving license if you do not currently possess one.
- Sakos 3y ago
  Germany doesn't allow riding a bike under the influence either and will issue fines for it. If your blood alcohol concentration is too high, you can end up paying a month's salary and be ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation, which might even result in you losing your drivers license. They could even ban you from riding a bicycle if it's established you're too much of an alcoholic. You're potentially a danger to yourself and the people around you. Why wouldn't it be handled appropriately?
  - chmod775 3y ago
    I think you're replying to someone from the US where you can only get a bike DUI in a few states. In others they can still book you from being a general drunk menace, but that's no DUI offense specifically. Getting a DUI for riding a bike while (somewhat) intoxicated does indeed sound strange from a US perspective. It's not something that generally happens or is on anyone's mind.
  - marssaxman 3y ago
    I am surprised to hear that, and I wonder how long this law has existed. When I lived (briefly) in Munich in the '90s, I remember that it seemed quite normal to ride one's bike home from a night out. I wonder whether the culture has changed, so that this is no longer seen as acceptable, or perhaps whether German bicycle-DUI laws are like speed-limit laws in the US, which everyone feels free to break whenever the cops aren't looking.

by mc32 3y ago

Seems pretty reasonable. Since bikes don't cause as much damage/injury as motorized vehicles, it makes sense to have a lower classification and lower fines as well --while keeping them responsible.

nothercastle 3y ago

But a bike dui is dumb.

chmod775 3y ago
In the context of a culture that doesn't see anything wrong with that kind of "disorderly" behavior, yes it would be dumb. However Japan is not such a place and its laws reflect its culture.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  Bike DUI is extremely common in Japan, I was once laughed at to my face for suggesting walking my bike home.
  - inference-lord 3y ago
    The only cases of bike theft I've heard about are drunk salarymen in Tokyo who miss the last train and take a bike to ride home on.
  - chmod775 3y ago
    Is that just a fun anecdote or is your point that Japanese society is somehow not more concerned with these things than the US? Because the latter is just wrong.
makeitdouble 3y ago
You're still operating a vehicle and can hurt people/damage property. To note, at no point you're barred from riding a bike or penalized in a critical way, so why not ?
- nothercastle 3y ago
  DUI is a class of pre crime. None was actually hurt it’s the potential of possibly being more likely to hurt someone. In a car the odds of that are probably 100 times or 1000 times higher than on a bike so punishment should reflect that.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    This might be a difference of context. In Japan you're expected to be sharing the road in a very litteral sense, like moving to the side to let a car turn at a corner, or getting off of the bike to have a pedestrian pass because it's just that narrow. There's little to no traffic infra in residential blocks, and you're expected to be careful and watch your way. Also bikes can easily be 30kg heavy and motor assisted, as you're using it for groceries or moving two kids to) from school everyday. Combine thanig an aging population (small kids freely roaming the neighborhood can also be an issue, but let's assume we're at night, not drunk at lunchtime) Hitting someone at a corner with a bike can be fatal (and actually is, at some non negligeable rate), and hitting a car won't be a small bump. PS: > so punishment should reflect that. DUI in Japan is one of the highest infraction. There's a point system, and you're (temporarily) barred from using your car at 6 points. Straight DUI with no casualties, no accident, is 25 points. The blue ticket you just have to pay that is discussed for bikes is peanuts.
- NikkiA 3y ago
  In the UK a DUI on a bicycle can (and frequently does) result in points/suspension of your driving license, or a future driving license if you do not currently possess one.
Sakos 3y ago
Germany doesn't allow riding a bike under the influence either and will issue fines for it. If your blood alcohol concentration is too high, you can end up paying a month's salary and be ordered to undergo a psychological evaluation, which might even result in you losing your drivers license. They could even ban you from riding a bicycle if it's established you're too much of an alcoholic. You're potentially a danger to yourself and the people around you. Why wouldn't it be handled appropriately?
- chmod775 3y ago
  I think you're replying to someone from the US where you can only get a bike DUI in a few states. In others they can still book you from being a general drunk menace, but that's no DUI offense specifically. Getting a DUI for riding a bike while (somewhat) intoxicated does indeed sound strange from a US perspective. It's not something that generally happens or is on anyone's mind.
- marssaxman 3y ago
  I am surprised to hear that, and I wonder how long this law has existed. When I lived (briefly) in Munich in the '90s, I remember that it seemed quite normal to ride one's bike home from a night out. I wonder whether the culture has changed, so that this is no longer seen as acceptable, or perhaps whether German bicycle-DUI laws are like speed-limit laws in the US, which everyone feels free to break whenever the cops aren't looking.