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I have an even more controversial question/thought... in many countries, after you live together for a long enough time, you gain all rights and problems associ

I have an even more controversial question/thought... in many countries, after you live together for a long enough time, you gain all rights and problems associated with that, as if you were married. Same if you have kids. Why the hell do people want to involve governments into their relationship? At what point of a loving relationship do you come to a need of a bureaucrat's stamp of approval? "Hey honey, I love you very much now, so can we get a stamp now, from the same guy that issues passports in the mornings?" We could abolish (the government part of) marriage alltogether, and have unofficial parties, priests waving whatever and yelling "wololo wololo" if they want, or do whatever you want.. just not as an official formal procedure.

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defrost 3y ago
At the point where you and your partner have assets that you care about after the death of one or both of you. Businesses and corporations get registered, civil unions are registered for similar reasons - aside from any romance there may also be a financial arrangement that in some cases can be substantial; a few houses and copyright over written works, patents held etc. can add up. The "rights that are gained" that you mention still have to be exercised, this becomes easier with clear registered documentation, a will, and an executor.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  In my country, you can prove the relationship after the fact, usually by a combination of living together and other elements (witnesses proving a loving relationship, photos, etc., kids make it automatic). After that, you're treated as civil union, without registration.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    I doubt it happens much in practice, but that seems open to abuse. I'd hate to be in a position where someone demanded my assets and I had to prove that I wasn't involved with them. Especially as it becomes ever easier to manufacture evidence like photos and video. Having both parties sign documentation ahead of time seems a little more secure and hopefully helps to keep things consensual.
  - defrost 3y ago
    .. and this is clear cut in the case where millionaires have children with multiple partners? If it matters who you regard as a primary partner and there are assets at play, then things go smoother (but can still be a bun fight) with formal papers of union, dissolvement, another union, a will, etc.
jjulius 3y ago
>Why the hell do people want to involve governments into their relationship? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39710726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39710726
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  So wait.. if you live with a roommate you pay more taxes than if you're married with that roommate? Why? I mean.. kids, i understand.. you get tax benefits for a kid here too, but in my country, marriage doesn't change any taxes.

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defrost 3y ago

At the point where you and your partner have assets that you care about after the death of one or both of you. Businesses and corporations get registered, civil unions are registered for similar reasons - aside from any romance there may also be a financial arrangement that in some cases can be substantial; a few houses and copyright over written works, patents held etc. can add up. The "rights that are gained" that you mention still have to be exercised, this becomes easier with clear registered documentation, a will, and an executor.

ajsnigrutin 3y ago
In my country, you can prove the relationship after the fact, usually by a combination of living together and other elements (witnesses proving a loving relationship, photos, etc., kids make it automatic). After that, you're treated as civil union, without registration.
- autoexec 3y ago
  I doubt it happens much in practice, but that seems open to abuse. I'd hate to be in a position where someone demanded my assets and I had to prove that I wasn't involved with them. Especially as it becomes ever easier to manufacture evidence like photos and video. Having both parties sign documentation ahead of time seems a little more secure and hopefully helps to keep things consensual.
- defrost 3y ago
  .. and this is clear cut in the case where millionaires have children with multiple partners? If it matters who you regard as a primary partner and there are assets at play, then things go smoother (but can still be a bun fight) with formal papers of union, dissolvement, another union, a will, etc.

jjulius 3y ago

>Why the hell do people want to involve governments into their relationship? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39710726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39710726

ajsnigrutin 3y ago
So wait.. if you live with a roommate you pay more taxes than if you're married with that roommate? Why? I mean.. kids, i understand.. you get tax benefits for a kid here too, but in my country, marriage doesn't change any taxes.